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Darwin Scheduler - Min. Energy Cost

Hello,

I have questions regarding to Darwin Scheduler for minimize energy cost. 

At first, when calculating energy cost in Darwin Scheduler, carbon price is infeasible basing on my study WaterGEMS. Please confirm it . However, I have an idea to minimize GHG emissions. That is to set carbon price as Energy price, and select "min. energy cost" as objective. Then I would get the results the total carbon price of tariff electricity. DO you think it is right? My purpose is to minimize GHG emissions.

Secondly, will be possible to multi-objective (min. operation cost and min. energy useage) optimizate at the same time in Darwin Scheduler? As I know, it is not possible. If possible, please indicate how to do.

Thirdly, the volume of the tank how to balance it? Any consideration for the tank, and how? If not , it means designer have to consider the calculation of the tank at first before setting the models in WaterGEMS.

Cheers

Michelle

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  • Re: "At first, when calculating energy cost in Darwin Scheduler, carbon price is infeasible basing on my study WaterGEMS. Please confirm it . However, I have an idea to minimize GHG emissions. That is to set carbon price as Energy price, and select "min. energy cost" as objective. Then I would get the results the total carbon price of tariff electricity. DO you think it is right? My purpose is to minimize GHG emissions."

    If energy cost is correlated to carbon "cost", you could still use Darwin Scheduler with the actual energy cost in place. This would attempt to optimize the energy cost, which (if I understand your situation correctly) would also be the carbon "cost". So, once you've settled on a pump schedule using Darwin Scheduler, you can run the scenario energy Cost tool to calculate the carbon emissions. If this doesn't help, please elaborate a bit on what you're trying to accomplish.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

    Answer Verified By: Michelle lirong Shang 

  • I need explain the mean of "Multi-Objective" optimization look like trade-off  curve ( Pareto-Optimal). The min. energy cost doesn't mean min. energy usage due to the different tariff rate in different period. For instance, if pump was running from 7:00am to 9:00pm ( peak hour ), the total energy cost will be higher than off-hour pumps operating. However, it doesn't mean the total energy usage would be higher than off-hour pumps operating. Will be possible to find out the Pareto-optimal?  

    More questions are how to show the energy usage of the solutions when minimize energy cost? And show the energy cost of the solutions when minimize energy usage? If could show, and how to set?

    Cheers

    Michelle

  • Hi Michelle,

    The concept of Pareto-optimal doesn't come into the Darwin Scheduler optimization since we are not trading off any objective against another. Each optimization is a single objective optimization. You can choose to optimize either cost or energy use. Typically one is a surrogate for the other, but as you have pointed out due to changes in energy tariffs it is technically possible for this to not be the case. You need to decide whether to optimize for cost or for energy.

    There is currently no option in Darwin Scheduler that allows these two objectives to be traded off against each other. I can't personally imagine such a case where tariffs vary significantly enough that you could come up with enough variation across a Pareto-optimal front to make such an analysis worthwhile, but I definitely would be interested to hear if you believe that that is not the case.

    Kind Regards,

    Wayne.



    Answer Verified By: Michelle lirong Shang 

  • Re: "More questions are how to show the energy usage of the solutions when minimize energy cost? And show the energy cost of the solutions when minimize energy usage? If could show, and how to set?"

    When clicking on one of the saved Solutions, click the Objective Elements tab. Within the Pumps, VSPs and Tanks tabs within there, you will see columns showing the energy cost and energy usage. This will allow you to see the energy usage for a run set to "Minimize energy cost".

    For viewing the cost of a run set to "minimize energy usage", you could export the solution to a scenario, then run the Energy Cost tool on that scenario.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

    Answer Verified By: Michelle lirong Shang 

  • Hello Jesse,

    But my results didn't show energy cost when minimizing energy use. Please give me some advice to figure out.

    Cheers

    Michelle

  • For viewing the cost of a run set to "minimize energy usage", export the solution to a scenario, then run the Energy Cost tool on that scenario ("Scenario Energy Cost" or "Energy Management" under the Analysis menu)


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

    Answer Verified By: Michelle lirong Shang 

  • I appreciate your confirmation regarding to my questions.

    Cheers

    Michelle

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