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System head curve

Hi all,

I am trying to make system head curve for transmission pipeline which has flow control valve and software is giving un logic curve. I think this due to the FCV. So kindly what is the sugessted solution to make system head curve?

Regards

Eng.Sayed Elhagar 

  • Hello,

    The FCV in the system can act as a sort of boundary. It limits the flow, resulting in a situation similar to the case of only having fixed demands downstream and no tank or reservoir. In other words, it acts like a closed system. The calculations start to become invalid if more flow through the FCV is greater than the FCV setting.

    There are a couple of options. Assuming you have a tank or reservoir downstream of the pump, you can add loops around the FCV. This is typically a good idea anyway in case a modeling condition arises were the FCV is closed. With no loop around the FCV, downstream demands cannot be met. You can also change the status of the FCV to "Inactive". As long as there is a downstream tank or reservoir, the system head curve will have a more normal appearance.

    Lastly, you can set up pressure dependent demands, similar to that suggested in your other forum post related to system head curves. The link to using pressure dependent demands with system head curves can be found here:

    communities.bentley.com/.../15371.system-head-curves-with-no-downstream-storage-solution-500000056093.aspx

    Regards,

    Scott Kampa

    Bentley Technical Support

  • You need to consider how the FCV will behave in the real system.

    Is this a real FCV or is it a trick to force a certain flow? If it is the latter, get rid of it.

    Does all the flow go through it to get to the tank? If so, then the curve is only valid up to the setting on the FCV.

  • Thanks a lot Scott

    What i understand from your answer

    I can make follow one of two ways to calculate system head curve.

    1- make FCV inactive then i can plot curve easy as normal based on tank on downstream of FCV

    OR

    2- i can replace FCV with junction which shall have demand equal to FCV setting and delete tank downstream of FCV, then by using PDD equation i can plot system head curve

    Kindly correct my understanding if it is worng. In can my understanding is correct, do you think that system head curve in both abovementioned two ways will be equal

    Regards

    Eng.Sayed Elhagar

  • Dear Dr Tom

    FCV will be real, and i am using them to control the filling of 23 tanks

    Kindly clarify what is the mean of "curve is only valid up to the setting on the FCV".

    Regards

    Eng.Sayed Elhagar

  • I'd need to know a little more about the system. Is this a big regional system with FCV's at turnouts from a transmission main? Is this a small system with FCV's on rooftop tanks at houses? Are the 23 tanks roughly at the same elevation and service the same pressure zone? Are there 23 separate pressure zones? Are these top fill or bottom fill tanks? Can't you use an altitude valve to close off the tank fill line when it's full and won't open until the tank level drops?

    My concern is that depending on how the system is operated, you may have 2^23 system head curves. One for all 23 tanks filling, one for tank A off and 22 others filling, one for Tank B off and 22 others filling, etc. Once a valve closes the system (and the system head curve) changes.