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CLOSE ISOLATION VALVE!

When we close valve, it should make velocity in downstream is equal zero and total volume change, but all downstream not changed except a pipe have assign valve and total volume is too.

It so difficult to understood, please help us!

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  • Make sure you aren't disconnecting any fixed demands (non pressure-dependent) from a source (tank or reservoir) otherwise they'll pass right through the closed valve and you'll get a red user notification about it.

    You might also want to take a look at our Criticality tool.

    communities.bentley.com/.../running-a-criticality-analysis.aspx


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

  • Hello,
    I've been got a red user notification about it when close some valve. But value result in downstream and total demand isn't change. In real system all downstream will be outage IF we're close valve.
     
     
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    Make sure you aren't disconnecting any fixed demands (non pressure-dependent) from a source (tank or reservoir) otherwise they'll pass right through the closed valve and you'll get a red user notification about it.

    You might also want to take a look at our Criticality tool.

    communities.bentley.com/.../running-a-criticality-analysis.aspx

  • I'm tried some radom network simple and complex. It show some red notification when the valve was close, but the value in downstream not change that discrepancy when compare with real system.

  • Yes, in a real system, if you close off a demand, it will drop to zero. However in WaterCAD/WaterGEMS, when you enter a demand, you are telling the model that it needs to satisfy that demand no matter what. This is why you get the red notification, which mentions that results will be compromised. The demand will still be satisfied. In order to get accurate results, you need to either remove the demands in conjunction with closing them off with the valves, or use the Pressure Dependent Demand (PDD) feature. With PDD, if the pressure drops to zero when closing the valve, the demand will drop to zero.

    With that said, it might help if you can provide some background about what you are trying to achieve. If you just want to see what elements are effected from an outage, you might be able to use the Criticality tool that I previously mentioned.

    I've updated the below Support Solution with this information.

    communities.bentley.com/.../10506.disconnected-demand-nodes-user-notification-when-computing-model.aspx


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

    Answer Verified By: Sushma Choure