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USING A RESERVOIR TO MODEL THE CONNECTION TO AN EXISTING SYSTEM IN WATERCAD

I'm using a Reservoir in WaterCad to model the connection point to an existing water main based on fire hydrant flow data. 

This is a basic WaterCad question that has been discussed and it seems that everyone has a different opinion. I'm looking for insight on the use of a reservoir and fire flow test data to model the connection to an existing system using WaterCad. I'd like to confirm that this approach is valid along with the pros and cons of doing it this way. I do understand that you can use a pump curve to mimic the existing connection flow and pressure fluctuations. However; I'm only using a reservoir to model the connection.

The model was developed to evaluate fire flows required for a proposed multifamily development with a single looped 6" diameter water main. 

Two hydrants were flow tested and the results are below:

FH-1 - Static PSI - 80, Residual PSI = 77, Pitot PSI = 62, Flow GPM = 3922

FH-2 - Static PSI - 80, Residual PSI = 72, Pitot PSI = 59, Flow GPM = 3826

Based on this data, I'm using 72 PSI and 3826 GPM to set the parameters for my reservoir.

Is this a valid approach? Pros and cons? Does the Pitot PSI need to be taken into account?

Any and all insight will be greatly appreciated!

  • It's a matter of engineering judgment. How comfortable are you in your assumption that the hydraulic grade you measured will the value there during the design fire.

    My preference of course is to have a fully calibrated model of the system as the basis for design.

    One thing you have working in your favor is that you only got a 3 psi pressure drop at a flow of 3922 gpm. That means you must be sitting on a very large transmission main. Therefore, the pressure probably won't drop much during a large fire. If you were being fed by an old 6 inch main, the assumption of a fixed HGL would be much more unreasonable.

    In the end, you're the one whose seal will be on the plans. If you feel good about a fixed HGL, then use it.
  • Tom,

    Thanks for the insight and in this case my numbers are stable and strong so my model should be valid. Do you have opinion on adjusting the connection values based on the Pitot Pressures? In the past, I've received the static, residual and flows from hydrant flow testing. How much do you consider the Pitot pressure when doing a fire simulation? I've researched extensive literature and don't have a clear understanding. What are your thoughts about the Pitot pressure if it was your model? You're correct, I have to feel comfortable and confident before I seal a design.

    Thanks again,

    Rob Wassum PE

  • Pitot pressure is only used to calculate velocity head to convert to flow rate.

    4000 gpm from a single hydrant sounds very high. Were you using the 4.5 in. outlet and was the hydrant lateral very short?
  • Hydrant outlet was 5-1/2 inches and lateral was around 8 inches.

    Is the flow recorded on the hydrant flow test results adjusted based on Pitot pressure? I'm not sure how and if they use this info and more importantly, how does it come into play with respect to my existing connection in WaterCad.

    Rob Wassum PE

  • Hello Rob,

    I'm not sure if it was adjusted, you may need to check with the person or persons who did the hydrant test. If you know the discharge coefficient, you can use the equation that converts pitot pressure to flow to confirm if that was used. This is mentioned on page 185 (equation 5.1) of our book Advanced Water Distribution Modeling and Management. It's also referenced in this wiki article.

    As far as the WaterCAD model, this would effect the inflow vs. pressure rating table that you establish with the "fake" pump and reservoir. As the downstream demand changes, the pump shifts on its curve to provide the corresponding pressure. If you're not seeing a significant pressure drop, then the exact flow amount from the recording may not have a large impact. You could also make a conservative assumption and use a reservoir at a fixed elevation.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.