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Darwin Calibrator Field Data Snapshot for TCV with user defined valve characteristics

In the Darwin Calibrator tool under field data snapshot boundary overrides, what is the headloss setting for a TCV that has a user defined valve with a defined % relative closure versus % relative discharge coefficient? Is it % closed, % relative Cv or something else?

  • Hello Marilyn,

    The headloss setting for a TCV boundary override in Darwin Calibrator is the headloss coefficient (standard K in the headloss equation) that the valve will use for that respective field data snapshot. Basically Calibrator currently only supports the Headloss Coefficient method and will override what you have selected in the model. In your case you either have "Discharge Coefficient" or "Valve Characteristics curve" set as the TCV's Coefficient type. Darwin will override this with the type "headloss coefficient" and force the headloss coefficient that you enter as the "headloss setting".

    To find the appropriate headloss coefficient (headloss setting) to use for the valve, run a steady state simulation with your TCV set the way you want it in that snapshot. For example if you want it to be 50% closed and you're using the Valve Characteristics Curve Coefficient Type, set the "Relative Closure (initial)" to 50%. if you're using Discharge Coefficient as the Coefficient Type, set the appropriate value in the "discharge coefficient (initial)" field. After computing steady state, look in the Results section of the TCV properties and locate the field called "Headloss Coefficient Setting (Calculated)". This is the value you'd use in Darwin Calibrator, to achieve the same headloss characteristics.

    I've documented this in the below wiki article and logged Enhancement # 630550 for our developers to consider directly supporting other Coefficient Types in Calibrator. I also opened Service Request # 7000575509 on your behalf and linked it to this Enhancement, so that you'll get an email alert if a new version is released with this added.

    Using Darwin Calibrator boundary override Headloss Setting for a TCV


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

    Answer Verified By: Marilyn Fanjoy 

  • Jesse,
    I tried running the steady state scenario as you suggested but the calculated headloss coefficient setting in the results is zero. Perhaps I can use the resistance coefficient, K, calculated by K=894d^4/Cv^2 noted in the manufacturer's data?
  • Marilyn,

    The Headloss Coefficient, Minor Loss coefficient and resistance coefficient K are all the same thing.

    If the calculated headloss coefficient setting is zero, there may be a problem with the setup of the valve. Can you send a screenshot of the TCV input and results properties and the custom valve characteristics curve? Also please include your WaterGEMS version number.

    You can click the Advanced Reply Editor below the reply box, then use the "insert/edit media" button to insert an image file.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

  • My Watergems version number is 08.11.06.113 64-bit.

    ClaVal 100-01; Fully Open CV=440 for a 6” globe pattern valve

  • Jesse,
     
    I tried sending all the info on the forum thread but the characteristic curve can’t be provided by a screen shot since it’s too large.  I decided to zip by project file and the excel spreadsheet that has the generic curve for the valve and upload it.  Hopefully you can find it.  The valve characteristic curve is generic so it uses %closed and %Cv.  Therefore, the fully open CV valve is required.  It is 440 for a 6” globe pattern valve.
     
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