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ACS in 8,11

I find how ACS works togehter with snaps and that they are per view very
difficult to work with. They cause me many clicks going to wrong place and
many visits to acs-dialog and toggling of snaps in a normal BA workflow.

I have a feeling things could be better and smarter. I have two screens and
several views always open and at least one with vertical view; front or
right etc. When I want to snap there it is more likely that the snap is
forced away from my intended point.

I can see the use of per view acs for special situations- but normally
pulling together a 3d-model of a house I would think ONE acs would be
better. And when snapping in a front view the normal thing would be to have
no acs active.

So - could there be an easy switch to have a "global" acs + a view attribute
to disregard the acs when its plane is parallel to view z.

One notion I got was to use the acs-triad as a "sweet spot" to set acs
on/off /change.
--
regards / Thomas V

24 Replies (Most Recent Reply)

  • Despite repeated attempts to adapt and train individuals to this, it continues to be a huge productivity killer for us and probably the biggest source of frustration for those who are modeling.  I am interested in seeing a Bentley response on this as well.  

  • In reply to Michael Hall:

    Michael,

    Thomas' specific issue is with using tentative snap (not AccuSnap) in a view with an ACS that is edge-on (ex. top in a front view)...is this your issue as well? A solution to this specific problem is to define a different ACS for the view, either front or view-independent.

     

    Hi, the NNTP feed is not working so I shopped around in the web interface without understandong much but saw I could EDIT this post. Is that really inteded? /Thomas Voghera


  • In reply to Brien Bastings:

    Actually snaps and accudraw in general.  Most work in multiple views, namely isometric, top and front or side.  When starting operations in one view then using another to complete, the acs is inaccurate as to it's relationship.  This becomes particularly frustrating when using Bentley Architecture or any of the other verticals as it becomes impossible to have to define custom height ACS settings and then have to do so per view.  Most have just gotten into the habit of continually cycling the ACS rotaton with "V" or specifically calling out the rotation that they need: "T", "S", "F"...and so on.

  • In reply to Michael Hall:

    I think it would be best if you could post a simple example; you've used the terms AccuDraw and ACS in such a way that it's not at all clear to me whether you actually have an issue with the per-view ACS or are referring to the AccuDraw compass as the ACS (because they aren't the same thing).


  • In reply to Brien Bastings:

    Brien

    will something be done about the "edge-on" situation?

    /Thomas Voghera

  • In reply to Thomas Voghera:

    Thomas Voghera

    Brien

    will something be done about the "edge-on" situation?

    /Thomas Voghera

    I'll look into it. You could always start using AccuSnap. :)


  • In reply to Brien Bastings:

    I do try from time to time. In 2d it can be very good indeed. But in 3d when you have to use more than top view and more than a few lines- no, not yet ;-)

    Did you see I could EDIT your earlier post?

  • In reply to Thomas Voghera:

    > Did you see I could EDIT your earlier post?

    No, I didn't notice...that's one for Phil C. to sort out. :)


  • In reply to Thomas Voghera:

    Thomas Voghera

    Did you see I could EDIT your earlier post?

    I may be overlooking details regarding this, but could you A) check to see if discussion regarding this is ongoing in the Be Communities Feedback forum and contribute specific details to that or B) start a new thread in that forum with specific steps, etc. to help us investigate? TIA


    This is a test

  • In reply to Brien Bastings:

    Brien Bastings

    Thomas Voghera

    Brien

    will something be done about the "edge-on" situation?

    /Thomas Voghera

    I'll look into it. You could always start using AccuSnap. :)

     

     

    Brien - do you test BA from time to time?

  • In reply to Thomas Voghera:

    Thomas,

    I'm done my investigation. For at least as far back as MS/J a tentative point has adjusted the point for the ACS plane BEFORE looking for elements. This isn't correct but previously it would have been less of an issue because ACS Plane lock needed to be enabled. Currently looking at a fix for the SS2 release.

    HTH


  • In reply to Brien Bastings:

    Well, in TF/BA it has been toogled on every now and then. And it has been a pain to toggle it off all these years.

    But I am looking forward to the change  - Thanks!

  • In reply to Phil Chouinard - Bentley:

    Phil

    NNTP doesn't work?

    And I am totally lost in this new layout - where do I find a list of forums to subscribe to?

  • In reply to Thomas Voghera:

    There is no single list (sigh), you need to go to each Forum and use "Email subscribe to this forum"  toggle in "Options" in upper rignt of page below the big blue "New Post" button.

  • In reply to Phil Chouinard - Bentley:

    Phil Chouinard

    Thomas Voghera

    Did you see I could EDIT your earlier post?

    I may be overlooking details regarding this, but could you A) check to see if discussion regarding this is ongoing in the Be Communities Feedback forum and contribute specific details to that or B) start a new thread in that forum with specific steps, etc. to help us investigate? TIA

    Where is the Feedback forum?

    (thought I posted that question earlier?)

    And it is nothing complicated - I have a edit button visible that I can click.

  • back to the original discussion:

    Base MicroStation has changed some functionality. What you are seeing is intentional, so that when working in the Top View Elements are not placed at random elevations. MicroStation (the base application of Bentley Architecture) now maintains an ACS for each View Window.

    In order to avoid any problems related to this it is suggested that, when working in Bentley Architecture, you use the Floor Manager in order to keep track and control active Elevations. This tool allows you to define as many Floor ACSs and associated sub-Floor Elevations.

    A quick work-around is to keyin AZ= then activate the desired tool, click the point that you want to start the Place command. This will create an auxiliary ACS using the 'Active ZDepth Absolute' command dialog. By opening Utilities>Auxiliary Coordinates you will see a View Specific Unnamed ACS listed. Each time you keyin AZ= the origin of this ACS will change to match that set as active.

    thnx Chris Miller

  • In reply to Chris Miller:

    How does Floors help me adjust form tops to slabs in other files?

    And what does Floors do in front views?

  • PS to the first post

    1- If I right-click the top row in the ACS-dialog and select "view independent" the triad dosen't change until I move my mouse to that view. And the ACS dialog isn't updated.

    2- When ACSs are per view - how do I visually check a the view z of a ACS? I can't do it in another view because I ca't be sure it is the same ACS.

    3- After experimenting with the "toggle view independent" I am still confused about the word "independent". It seems to me more like a view attribute? And I am unsure of what view z my snaps and dp goes. I can see it in other views, but not control.

    4- I see no indication or warning that a view has a view independent acs. Other than the triad. And if my acss have same XY and different Zs I don't see which other than by going to ACS dialog or Drawing scale and and check for that view. ACS-picker doesn't seem to change with which view I dp. If I dp in view with a "view independent" ACS the Drawing scale says "custom"?

    5 - The ACS triad is always visble in the view even if it is "out of place" because of zooming. Probably good but the indication of that it is "out of place" should be more evident.

    As the UI is now I don't feel I have control over the situation and it seems over-complicated for normal use.

    For normal BA works one thought I have is that selecting an ACS you mostly want that for all your top and iso-views. So a quick way to apply that would be fine. Piano tangents?

    And a quick and visible way to toggle view independent would be nice. Perhaps in View Toolbar dropdown !?

  • In reply to Brien Bastings:

    Brien

    Any news on this?

     

    Brien Bastings

    Thomas Voghera

    Brien

    will something be done about the "edge-on" situation?

    /Thomas Voghera

    I'll look into it. You could always start using AccuSnap. :)

     

     

  • In reply to Thomas Voghera:

    The fix for this was in the SS2 release (MicroStation versions >= 08.11.07.414).

    HTH


  • In reply to Brien Bastings:

    Really?

    I am using 8 11 07 443 with BA 8 11 07 80 on top.

    And I still have problems with snaps going strange ways in front views. I and many other have problems to get this to work in BA.

    See communities.bentley.com/.../62493.aspx

    Among other things I suddenly have ACSs with points I have never entered delibarately. And occasionally I see one of my views turned upside down (eg geometry turned upside down)

    Unfortunately I can't give  a precise description. Yet. I am trying to collect some avis and scenarios.

  • In reply to Thomas Voghera:

    You should be able to setup a simple test case and demonstrate for yourself that it's been fixed. If you have other issues that don't require BA to duplicate I'll be happy to look at them.


  • In reply to Brien Bastings:

    Hi Brien

    There's a lot of weird (and unexpected) ACS behaviour present in 8.11.07.443 (core product, nothing on top). I'll prepare a multimodeled (very simple Models per case) test and I'll post it here the soonest possible

    Best, Peter  

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