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Dynamic saved views moving

  • I have created a saved plan view in a model and then placed it in a new layout drawing. I also attach a grid to this file and move the saved view to line up in the correct place.

    Problem I have is when I change this saved view.  ie take in a larger view of the model and save the view again the position of the view in the sheet layout moves. 

    Is there a way of locking the position of this placed saved view?

  • I beleive the stored position of the saved view is center point of the veiw.

  • I´ve noticed this myself and if it´s true, that it uses the center point I don't know what they were thinking... I feel like I have come to that conclusion often this year when trying to work with Dynamic views... If you have Structural, you can always use Extractions. That´s the answer bentley support gave me.

  • Hi AndrewH,

    Can you please upload your dgn file with some steps so that I can reproduce your issue and give you the solution.

    HTH,

    Rittesh

  • Dynamic view test.dgn

    Attached a test file.

    Currently the view in the sheet was not saved large enough to get all of the cylinders on the right, in the view.

    How do I show the complete plan saved view in the sheet and keep the center lines (ie the global location) in the same place?

    Increasing the size of the clip volume does not change what is shown in the sheet model.

    TIA

    Andrew

     

     

  • Has a solution to this issue been suggested?

    I have also noticed that a dynamic view moves location.

    Unless the identical view is used when updating, a

    dynamic view will move in all files where it is referenced.

    This behavior causes information in any file with additional

    references, graphics, or notations to become incorrect.

    It seems to me that a dynamic view should save its coordinate system location

    not a random point such as the center of view.

    We have three projects that have begun using dynamic views

    and this issue is going to be troublesome.

    Thanks, Tom

  • AndreasL

    I´ve noticed this myself and if it´s true, that it uses the center point I don't know what they were thinking... I feel like I have come to that conclusion often this year when trying to work with Dynamic views... If you have Structural, you can always use Extractions. That´s the answer bentley support gave me.

    I get the same thing. Everytime I try to use Dynamic views I always have to fall back onto the old way of doing things as it is way harder to draw true drawings.

    eg. I did a drawing of some curved GRC panels.
    And I wanted to highlight the panels by giving them a shading on the plans and 3d views I set up. So I tried to do what I normally do and place a filed shape behind the panels, but of course in Dynamic views with hidden line on I cant place it behind as it will just be hidden by teh panels. DOH! and if I put it in front I get no lines showing from the panels. just a filled shape of the extents as this now hides the panels completely.

    Very frustrating. 3d files just dont behave the same as 2d drawings.

    If I could easily make the panels shaded in my dynamic view then this would make it better. If i could apply a hatch pattern to cut objects this also would make life easier. At the moment its just a marketing ploy and not a topol that can be easily intergrated into everyone workflow. not to mention teh mega computer needed to make dynamic views work in Bentley Architecture. (1Gb printer files. wat the __)

  • If I could easily make the panels shaded in my dynamic view then this would make it better. If i could apply a hatch pattern to cut objects this also would make life easier. At the moment its just a marketing ploy and not a topol that can be easily intergrated into everyone workflow. not to mention teh mega computer needed to make dynamic views work in Bentley Architecture. (1Gb printer files. wat the __)

     

    Just go through blog written by Mark Penn on Hatching and patterning for dynamic views

    http://communities.bentley.com/other/old_site_member_blogs/bentley_employees/b/mark_penns_blog/archive/2009/10/16/automatic-hatching-patterning-in-dynamic-views.aspx

     

    HTH,

    Rittesh

  • Damon and Rittesh,

    Hatching should probably be under its own thread.

    But experimenting with hatching as Damon mentioned,

    there does seem to be an issue with applying hatch in a file

    with a Dynamic Saved View attached.

    I went through the Mark Penn Blog and it conceptually outlines

    how to attach patterns to solid elements for display in cut planes.

    Seems to work well and is an alternative if one is not using Bentley Architecture.

    With BA, our office applies patterns and hatching through the part library.

    On the other hand, Patterning and hatching seems to be limited in situations

    where the object is not cut.

    One instance would be elevations.

    Yesterdays workflow would either be to apply a pattern via a forward

    mapping file through drawing extractions or to create an extraction

    without patterns and add patterns in a file with a elevation extraction attached.

    A second instance would be adding a general area pattern to distinquish

    one department of a building with another or maybe what is sprinkled in a builing or not.

    In either instance, a pattern added in the drawing model

    even if it is 2d can only have its display prioritized in the active

    model or other 2d files.

    A dynamic view is a 2d representation of a 3d model. Therefore I can

    only control the display through the update sequence of reference file.

    If the dynamic view updates last everything in the active file is concealed

    by the dynamic view.

    However, if I change the sequence for the dynamic view to update first

    the patterns in active file show up. But fine lines of associate hatch perimeter

    conceal the Heavy weight lines of my cut walls from dynamic view.

    Are there any known work arounds besides setting dynamic views

    forward view display setting to wireframe

    or reverting back to drawing extractions in Bentley Architecture?

    Is there a way to independently sequence the cut view and forward view

    of reference files?

    That way I could set the cut plane to display last (on top of patterns)

    and the forward view last (behind the graphics in my active file)

    Any help would be greatly apprectiated.

    Tom

  • I am able to simulate one of my suggestions in previous post.

    Separating the Cut Plane and Forward view.

    To create this concept, I created two saved views.

    The first only displays the cut plane. The second only displays

    the forward view. By having saved view referenced separately

    I am able to set the update sequence for Cut Plane to refresh Last

    and the Forward view to refresh first. This allows patterns in active

    file to display I would want, but unforturnately every thing gets put

    behind the Cut Plane reference including section annotation marks

    and detail bubbles etc.

    Need to think on this some more.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Thanks, Tom

  • I am still haveing many problems with dynamic views.

    I am setting up sections but the problem is our building is 40m high and the section even though taken from a clipped view only showing one storey then displays the complete height of the building.  I attached the saved view to a view so I can move the top clipping plane and this seems to work but then it randomly seems to lose the top clip.

    It just seems to me there needs to be some stronger locks on positions and clipping as as soon as the view depth changes again the view position changes and then my drawing with all its dimensions and annotation is screwed.

    I would say to anyone looking at dynamic views to leave them alone until they (bentley) fix some of this stuff as at the moment they appear great in theiory but full of to many bugs.

    TIA

    Andrew