Currently using AutoPIPE v09.05.01.05 Advanced version.
Working on modelling an 800H piping system acc EN 13480. The code edt Im using is 2012 (issue 1 2012-06). AutoPIPE gives me the option to select either the 2002 or the 2010 version. Im not aware there is a 2010 version, only of 2002 editions amended with amendment from 2010, like amendment A2:2010 for EN13480-2 and A4:2010 for EN13480-3. And obviously the 2012 edition amdended or updated to new issues.
Q1: Could someone explain me what I can do to use the 2012 edt, issue 1 2012-06?
Q2: As for the material data on 800H, I need to model some piping system in the creep range at approx. 750 deg C. AutoPIPE returns the message that "Temperature is above the range specified by the code for creep rupture stress", anytime I enter data for temperatures greater than 700 deg C. Can someone tell me where AutoPIPE retrieves data for 800H in the EN 13480 code? So actually, where in EN 13480, or its subreferenced standards, can I find data for 800H at these temperatures?
Q3: in the AutoPIPE help file, where can I find info on the material libraries EURO2009 andEUROMAT? Whats the differences between them, and EURO2002? The help file is not really explanatory on this.
Any thoughts/help from Bentley on this?
Hello HVN,
A1, I have logged an enhancement, CAE-CR-11099 Add EN13480 : 2012 piping code update.
A2. The library data is stored in the material library SRC file that is then compiled into a LIB file to be used by AutoPIPE. Please file a Service Request for the En 13480 SRC file. Be sure to mention exactly what version of AutoPIPE you have.
A3. Print out a scan of each library using the Tool> Library feature and then use an applicaiton like Beyond compare or Ultra compare to compare these files for differences.
Regards,
Mike Dattilio
Bentley TSG Support Analyst
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A1; okay. Clear
A2; don't see what that answer has to do with my question, apart from being generic useful information.
A3; too bad Bentley cant answer this question, i.e. lack of service/support, but for now this suffices.
Hopefully someone can answer my 2nd question.
With regards to your comments in your last post:
A2: don't see what that answer has to do with my question, apart from being generic useful information.
Your original questions:
Answer: Agian, all material data is retrieved from the material file. However, you seem to be asking specifically where the data actually cam from in the code. Hard to understand exactly what your questions is. Again, see the online help for, Code Dependent Pipe Materials: these tables provide details where the material data was gathered from.
Your original question:
Answer: Again, it seems that I misread your posting to mean where can I find library data values used in AutoPIPE. However, your question is not very clear. What information exactly are you looking for.
With regards about the difference betweenEuromat, Euro2002 and Euro2009, I provided the exact steps to see for your self what are the difference, just compare the files. Otherwise, this posting would be very long in length. There is no lack in support, I am trying to teach you to learn the steps required instead of asking.
Thanks for your time and understanding,
Mike DattilioBentley TSG Support Analyst
Dear Mike,
I'm sorry if I have given you the impression the Bentley support doesnt help it's customers. In contrary, this is a useful place to support all of us.
A1; where/how can I fond progress/status updates on enhancement CAE-CR-11099 "Add EN13480 : 2012 piping code update"?
A2; yes, I'm specifically asking about where Bentley retrieves the material properties for the 800H material from, at these temperatures. I have a hard time finding this information form the European standards, let alone to know which European standard is used to retrieve the data. This question was maybe more meant to find out how Bentley gathered this data, as this may help me in finding a way through the European standards on this subject, as for so far I haven't been able to find this data myself.
A3; what Im basically asking, is the following. For an EN 13480 piping project in AutoPIPE, I select the AUTODIN component library to get the dimensions for EN-standards like elbows, tee's reducers, flanges, etc. I then have to select a material library; EURO2002, EURO2009 or EUROMAT. What's the major difference between them? Is one library for 2002 based stress allowables, the other for allowables based on a 2009 database? And whats the EUROMAT library, some 'generic' library for EN-materials? Obviously, one way to check this is to compare the libraries, but thats too much effort for such a simple (but important) question, I think ...
Furthermore, speaking of AUTODIN; wouldn't it be useful to make a component library called AUTOEURO, as DIN has been replaced by EN-standards (like EN 1092, EN 10253, EN 10216) when doing EN 13480 piping?