Profile by Slope/Offset From Element not following vertical curves

I have a back of sidewalk profile that has vertical curves. When I attempt to profile the front of sidewalk by using Profile Slope From Element, it does not project the vertical curves, but rather just has straight grades connecting to the PI's, PC's, and PT's. Is there any way to make this profile follow the vertical curves, or if this just a limitation of the software?

Thanks

  • I have not found that the "project profile to element" tool was designed to project more than vectors from one to another at the stroking tolerance. What I suggest is to create another profile using the line and curve between elements tools over the projected profile.

    Vern

  • That is kind of what I had originally. I started my sidewalk job by just creating BSW lines the connected to the proposed driveways so that I had one continuous sidewalk, but each segment had its own proposed profile. I discovered that this might not be ideal when I thought about how I would need to show a profile for the entire BSW. So i created a new complex element for the entire stretch of sidewalk and then project each individual profile onto that new complex element. Then I did just as you suggest where I created an entirely new profile using the tangent sections of the projections.

    Now, I would like to project this new profile from the BSW complex element back onto the individual elements (BSW's and driveways). The reason being is I already attached my templates to those elements. So if I need to update the profile, I want to be sure that my model updates too. So that is why i wanted to project the profile back to the individual elements.

    Hopefully that made some sense. In the future, I am just going to start by creating a complex element for the entire length of sidewalk and then just build off of that to avoid this whole situation. This first project is kind of a trial and error learning experience.

    Thanks

    Zachary Billings, P.E.

    Senior Roadway Engineer (Licensed in FL and MI)

    CONSOR Engineers, LLC

    System Info:

    Windows 11 | Intel Core i7-13700k | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32 GB of RAM | 2 TB Western Digital Black SN850x NVME

    ORD Version 10.12.02.004 | FDOT Connect Version 10.12.01.00

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  • I have encountered this issue again under a different circumstance. I am trying to project my PGL profile out to the EOP of my roadway so that I can begin building a sidesteet connection. I have the PGL profile attached to my Centerline. So I use Project By Slope From Element with a slope of 0% to project the slope onto the inside EOP. I then project that out at the slope of my roadway to the outside EOP as well as a construction line I have set up for the opening of the sidestreet.

    This would all work just fine, but unfortunately this whole roadway is basically one big vertical curve. The issue i am seeing, as before, is that when you project a profile, it does not project smooth curves, but rather a line segment version of the curve. These segments are too far apart to accurately describe the curve, so as the profile is projected out, the elevation at say the PC of the curb return will be slightly incorrect because its not projecting the vertical curvature of the roadway accurately.

    Is there any way to fix this or any other tools I should be using. I used Plan by 3D Element to get the sidestreet opening construction line and that seems to be working, but I am still wondering if there is a way to make the projected profile more accurate.

    I have tried adjusting all the stroking values and nothing seems be helping.

    Thanks

    Zachary Billings, P.E.

    Senior Roadway Engineer (Licensed in FL and MI)

    CONSOR Engineers, LLC

    System Info:

    Windows 11 | Intel Core i7-13700k | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32 GB of RAM | 2 TB Western Digital Black SN850x NVME

    ORD Version 10.12.02.004 | FDOT Connect Version 10.12.01.00

    YouTube Page for ORD: https://tinyurl.com/BillingsCADD

  • I just figured it out. I was changing the stroking on all of my offset elements, but never of the CL. I changed the stroking from 50 to 0.1 on my CL and now the projected profiles are much more accurate.

    Zachary Billings, P.E.

    Senior Roadway Engineer (Licensed in FL and MI)

    CONSOR Engineers, LLC

    System Info:

    Windows 11 | Intel Core i7-13700k | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32 GB of RAM | 2 TB Western Digital Black SN850x NVME

    ORD Version 10.12.02.004 | FDOT Connect Version 10.12.01.00

    YouTube Page for ORD: https://tinyurl.com/BillingsCADD

    Answer Verified By: Zachary Billings