FDOT Connect 10.10.01.00 and ORD 10.10.21.04 Issues V2

I am recreating this from my previous thread that got a little off the original topic.

I installed the latest updates last week and have been having quite a few issues with slow performance. All of the files I am working with have been updated along the way from as early as 10.07, which could be part of the issue. I was having no issues with ORD 10.10.01.03 and FDOT Connect 10.10.00.01 (other than some minor issues with dark mode) and have since reverted back to these versions until I can determine a solution.

The following hang-ups are occurring:

  • When opening a file, I can see everything has loaded, but the program continues to hang for 30 seconds or more before becoming usable. Even after, the first few things I try to do encounter hang-ups.
  • Switching between Views that show different models. For example, a 4 view setup with Default, Default 3D, a profile view, and an XS view. Every time I click to a new view, the program hangs for 5-10 seconds.
  • Using the Cross Section Navigator. Several minutes to actually get it loaded. About 30 seconds or more to flip to the next section.

I have tried compressing files to no avail. I work on local files, typically on my OneDrive files that are on my E Drive. I tried copying to my C drive and there was no improvement. Both of these drives are NVME drives. All of these issues are also occurring on my virtual machine, so it’s not just my home computer.

Then I decided to try to open my files without the workspace. I just right clicked one of my files and hit open. NONE of the issues above were occurring. However, the following was still an issue:

  • Slow undo in some files. Seems to mostly be related to files with Civil Labeler labels in them.
    • Slow undo is also present in 10.10.01.03

 I have posted a video to my YouTube page highlighting these issues: https://youtu.be/c_p2HTRADBU

 Has anyone encountered these issues?

  • Sorry about that, Zachary! As I commented on your YouTube video, I haven't experienced the same issues as you have yet and I've been doing some modeling over the past few days. I will say it does take about 1 minute to load into a file using the FDOT Connect workspace. There are a lot of dgnlibs being loaded in at once and there was some discussion from Bentley about consolidating those in a recent Coffee Corner. Wonder if there is some merit to that, but I would think that would only reduce load times a few seconds. I do suspect your view switching issue is stemming from using upgraded files in a fairly large, complex model. But it is hard to say that for sure. It may be worth running the Update Standards from dgnlib again?

    Regarding the Undo issue, we have definitely experienced that as well. And, in some occasions, users (including myself) have reported that using Undo at certain times will actually undo a multitude of your changes, not just the most recent one. We are trying to determine the root cause and so far don't have enough evidence to nail it down, but my experience also revolved around Civil Labeler. 

    Eddie Giese, PE
    Production Manager (licensed in FL & PA)

    Patel, Greene & Associates, LLC
    PowerGEOPAK V8i SS10 (08.11.09.918)
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2 (10.10.21.4)
    OpenRoads Designer 2020 R3 (10.9.0.91)
    ProjectWise Explorer CE 10.0.3.453
    LumenRT CE Update 14 (16.14.60.98)

  • Eddie, I fully understand the loading of all the dgnlibs. I even add a few custom ones of my own to the mix for Text Favorites and Dimensions Styles, cell libraries, etc. In 10.10.01.03, I don't really have any slow with these things. 

    I have also experienced the Undo essentially undoing everything I have done since entering the file. I am thankful for OneDrive backups in that case. Civil Labeler is certainly doing something. I have approached Bentley with this slow undo, along with some other issues related to Civil Labeler and haven't had any luck getting a fix.

    As for the original issue, I should have an opportunity to start a new project here with only files created in 10.10.21.4. Based on your experience, it seems like my issue stems from using files upgraded from previous versions. I don't really see any way around that as I am not going to be able to recreate my model in a new file without spending a great deal of time.

    Hopefully someone who has some insight into the inner workings of FDOT Connect and ORD can respond here. It must be some issue that occurred in 10.10.21.4 or the previous version.

    Thanks

    Zachary Billings, P.E.

    Senior Roadway Engineer (Licensed in FL and MI)

    CONSOR Engineers, LLC

    System Info:

    Windows 11 | Intel Core i7-13700k | Nvidia RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32 GB of RAM | 2 TB Western Digital Black SN850x NVME

    Power GEOPAK V8i Select Series 10 Version 08.11.09.918 | FDOT SS10 Version 01.04.01

    ORD Version 10.10.21.04 | FDOT Connect Version 10.10.03

    YouTube Page for ORD: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3S-94f7_yUJ-GMhMYPhInA

  • Small update to my issue. Since I have a feeling my issue could be related to files upgraded from as far back as 10.07, I decided to create a brand new MODLRD01 file and slowly add my model files to it to begin creating a new motif file. I noticed that when I only have a few files attached, I wasn't getting any lagging switching between views. As I added more and more files, I started to see more and more delay when switching between views. By delay, I mean the spinning blue circle seen in my videos.

    If I load the same file without the FDOT workspace, I see no delay at all.

    I also just tried opening on of my model files and was seeing 10 second delay switching between views. This model file was originally a 10.07 or 10.08 file and is now 10.10. When I open the same file without the FDOT Workspace, no delay, switching is instantaneous.

    So it seems the issue has something to do with the FDOT workspace, increasing amounts of attached models, and perhaps files upgraded from earlier versions. 

    I tested this on my virtual machine that is still running the latest FDOT Connect and ORD versions. I encounter none of these issues on my local computer using 10.10.01.03 (except for slow undo).

    Zachary Billings, P.E.

    Senior Roadway Engineer (Licensed in FL and MI)

    CONSOR Engineers, LLC

    System Info:

    Windows 11 | Intel Core i7-13700k | Nvidia RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32 GB of RAM | 2 TB Western Digital Black SN850x NVME

    Power GEOPAK V8i Select Series 10 Version 08.11.09.918 | FDOT SS10 Version 01.04.01

    ORD Version 10.10.21.04 | FDOT Connect Version 10.10.03

    YouTube Page for ORD: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3S-94f7_yUJ-GMhMYPhInA

  • We are now working on a model that is much more complex in 10.10.01.00 and we're noticing some of the same issues. Same situation where there are a heap of files attached. We have a suspicion that a corrupted ALGNRD file is to blame (since it is referenced in) but it's hard to say for sure. 

    I'm at a loss for what could be causing these delays. 

    Eddie Giese, PE
    Production Manager (licensed in FL & PA)

    Patel, Greene & Associates, LLC
    PowerGEOPAK V8i SS10 (08.11.09.918)
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2 (10.10.21.4)
    OpenRoads Designer 2020 R3 (10.9.0.91)
    ProjectWise Explorer CE 10.0.3.453
    LumenRT CE Update 14 (16.14.60.98)

  • I was wondering if it was my RWDTRD01 file. That file has an AutoCAD file in it from the surveyor and I was previously getting some issue about large level libraries. After detaching and compressing, I am still having the slow down issues.

    I am going to try and meet with FDOT here this afternoon and see what's happening. I have so far tested Default ORD along with the FDOT workspace. They asked me to see if the issues were happening with any of the other delivered workspaces as well, so I am going to give that a test here shortly.

    Thanks for responding back.

    Zachary Billings, P.E.

    Senior Roadway Engineer (Licensed in FL and MI)

    CONSOR Engineers, LLC

    System Info:

    Windows 11 | Intel Core i7-13700k | Nvidia RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32 GB of RAM | 2 TB Western Digital Black SN850x NVME

    Power GEOPAK V8i Select Series 10 Version 08.11.09.918 | FDOT SS10 Version 01.04.01

    ORD Version 10.10.21.04 | FDOT Connect Version 10.10.03

    YouTube Page for ORD: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3S-94f7_yUJ-GMhMYPhInA