Surface Templates not Deleting

I had some terrains for a sidewalk that were not updating when I would update the elements they were created from. That was the first strange thing. Then, I used project explored to delete these terrains, but the surface templates applied to them still remain. I cannot figure out any way to delete them. I can select them and change the level they are on, but I cannot delete them.

How should I proceed?

Thanks

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  • Im not sure what happened to this file…Its been fine up until today.

    As for the surface templates, I changed them to nonplotting elements and then just turned that level off as a workaround.

    Now I am trying to update my BSW profile and I opened up the view and the profile no longer had an rules applied to it. So I re-ruled it and now I keep getting a net framework error every time I try to set the profile active.

    I then continued working and found out I kept getting this error while trying to fix the detail modeling for my sidewalk connection. From what I can tell, some of the elements in this detail model were corrupt and were creating these error to occur. I removed all the elements and recreated the detail model.

    My BSW profile was referencing the back of curb line profile, which was projected from one of the corrupted lines. Once I replaced the corrupted lines and updated the reference, I was able to store the profile.

    I would guess that the original issue is related to these corrupted lines as the terrain models that the surface templates were applied to were created from these lines. I originally use Project Explorer to delete the terrain models, but they did not take the surface templates with them. This must be due to whatever corrupted the elements in the first place.

    As of now, setting the leftover surface templates to nonplotting and turning them off should work and I was able to store my profile after fixing the corrupted elements.

    Thanks

     

    Zachary Billings, P.E.

    Senior Roadway Engineer (Licensed in FL and MI)

    CONSOR Engineers, LLC

    System Info:

    Windows 11 | Intel Core i7-13700k | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32 GB of RAM | 2 TB Western Digital Black SN850x NVME

    ORD Version 10.12.02.004 | FDOT Connect Version 10.12.01.00

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  • If you're not too far into the project, I would recommend starting over instead of letting all that 'corrupt' data remain in your file. If the issue was related to 'corrupt' lines on the terrains, placing them on a non-plotting level is ok, but if that level ever gets turned back on the 'corrupt' lines are selectable and could cause problems in the future.

    Just remember, before deleting anything that may have civil data or dependencies on another element or another element(s) has dependencies on it, try to remove the dependency or civil rule first before deleting.

      

  • I am almost done with this project. This was the last little thing I needed to fix before I am ready to turn it in.

    Is this something normal that we are going to have to deal with. On pretty much all of my projects in SS4, I have had models get so messed up that the only course of action was to just start over. Most of the time it has been through some corruption or error with Microstation. This is really not acceptable for most of us with tight deadlines and budgets. We cannot afford to just keep redoing work. I understand the issue is probably within Microstation itself, which is probably more frightening since it is harder to fix.

    This is only going to get worse with larger models. If some little things goes wrong and i have to redo several days worth of modeling, that just isnt acceptable. I am making every effort to break files out into smaller pieces of the model so if something goes wrong its just that piece. But a lot of times those pieces are connected across files and corruption in one spreads to the others.

    I am working on a large project right now and that is my worry that one day I will open one of my files and it will randomly be corrupted. Especially if it happens right at around a deadline.

    I guess all I can do for now is to just make sure I am being as careful as I can.

    Thanks for your help.

    Zachary Billings, P.E.

    Senior Roadway Engineer (Licensed in FL and MI)

    CONSOR Engineers, LLC

    System Info:

    Windows 11 | Intel Core i7-13700k | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32 GB of RAM | 2 TB Western Digital Black SN850x NVME

    ORD Version 10.12.02.004 | FDOT Connect Version 10.12.01.00

    YouTube Page for ORD: https://tinyurl.com/BillingsCADD