WIKI seperated in versions of MicroStation?

In the last days I see much new articles about several versions of Microstation in the WIKI.

Many of the articles seam to be copied from the Ask Inga site.

The problem is that many of the Ask Inga articles are written for Microstation 95, SE or J.

In my opinion the articles should be up to date for Microstation XM or Athens or not placed in the WIKI.

Perhaps the WIKI should be separated in versions of Microstation.

Harry

 

  • ahh - OK, now I see the [edid tag]

    Looked at http://communities.bentley.com/Wiki/view.aspx/Where_stuff_is_in_MicroStation_V8_  and only read the first two blue items in the bottom row.

    And the "browse by tags"  also. Very good  (when the headline was "popular tags" I skipped to next headline)

     

     

    regards / Thomas Voghera

  • Keith, I think this is beginning to be a good discussion.

    1- Do I understand correctly that your suggestion is that the template is included on the wikipage as text? So when searching and I want to exclude J-version items , and earlier, I ad some smart thing in the search string? Can you give an example?

    2- For Products:......... - how do we make consistensy? 

    3-  You didn't explain why you where against Wikipedia type categories. For me this isn't only about ustn-versions, it is a way to group wikipages about "plotting" or any other subject as well. And as I understand it adding an article to a category, or adding a category to an article, whichever is the correct, seems a solution, or tool, that can be used for many things. And if you could use boolean operations with categories it can be really powerfulll. And it is AD HOC. And it seems to me a less fearfull thing to ad a page to a category, than entering it and do an edit.

    4- There is a stamp at the bottom of the pages with "last revised". Perhaps created should be added there as well.

    5- reg "discussion pages" I haven't seen how it works on your internal wiki. First - we can discuss things at the forums, so this is not for any simple question or debates. But personally I hesitate to interefere in a perhaps carefully designed layout on the page itself  for a comment or a suggestion for something. I would feel much more confortable to do it on a discussion page.

    regards / Thomas Voghera

  • Tell you what Phil, keep me in a supply of Bentley shirts, so the Intergraph guys stop laughing at the :-), and I'd be more than happy to rewrite everything I've done. Hey, I'm cheap :-)

     Still, maybe a trip to the BE on Bentley for one person each year may get the creative juices flowing. Hey, I can only try.........



  • Thomas Voghera:

    Tagging was easy to say. But thinking a bit of it there are problems. Just tagging versions with what? 8,9 or XM or v8 etc.

    Saying "this is a wiki - you can do it yourself" is ducking  the problems. Sure we can do it IF THERE IS A STRUCTURE TO DO IT IN. Everything else will be caos.

    Wikipedia has "categories" - would solve the issue - but can it be done in be.org?

    MicroStation on English Wikipedia is tagged with four categories; Categories: Computer-aided design software | Windows software | 3D graphics software | CNC, CAD, and CAM

    And the more I think of this - the more I believe we also need "discussion" pages. First to put up suggestions, find concensus or just proof reading.  Second people surely hesitate going into a askinga-page and do edits directly.

    Thomas,

    Tags here and categories in Wikipedia are synonymous terms as far as i can tell. But, I personally don't think either is the right answer for indicating relevance based on versions of software. You are right, there does need to be a standard framework to promote consistency. I proposed a template for product-related articles like:

    Original Article Date:
    Products :
    Relevant Versions:
     

    When you create a new topic in the Wiki that has tips/advice/answers about a product-related topic, I propose you include these 3 lines, and fill them in if you know them (obviously everyone knows the first one). If not, leave them blank. From those 3 facts, most readers will be able to deduce whether the article is helpful for their usage or not.

    Unfortunately, the only one that is known for all of the AskInga articles is the original date. Beyond that, someone familiar with the topic will have to take a whack at which products and versions to which the article pertains. Fortunately Inga usually indicated that in the article titles, although it isn't always clear whether the article continues to be relevant as newer versions were released thereafter.

    So, I pointed out that everyone can fill that information in, if they are so inclined and feel they know it. We fully understand that that doesn't magically create information where there's none. But Thomas, that's not "ducking the problem" - that's a practical solution which will naturally address the most pressing needs first. Of course we (Bentley employees) will be working on adding more articles and updating existing ones to make them more useful.

    Now, as to the need for a "Discuss Topic" and/or moderation feature for our WIki, I personally don't think it is necessary yet. But I do understand the hesitation to edit one of Inga's articles directly - "I mean she's Inga, who am I to question what she says?". Well, first of all she encourages it (see http://communities.bentley.com/Communities/Other_Communities/AskInga/b/askinga-blog/archive/2008/06/11/askinga-the-wiki-same-content-only-better.aspx). But how 'bout we adapt a convention that if you want to add a comment but don't feel qaulified to change the original author's work, we add a convention like:

    Question:
    Comment:
    Observation:

    that anyone can add to the body of an article and we'll treat that just like the "Discuss" feature of Wikipedia. We do that for our internal Wiki site and it works well.

    If we can get enough people here to agree on the conventions, then we should start a Wkik Article about "How to post and edit a product related BE Community Wiki article"... 

    Keith

        
    This is a test  

  • WRT #2, we are thinking very much along those lines... that said, and taking into account regional differences (e.g. exchange rates, power plugs, etc.) what do you think would be a nice *incentive*? (we have several in mind, but before divulging what those are... :)