Newbie needs help, from point cloud to finished 3d model

Heya,

I'd like to first introduce myself: I'm Jacob Collstrup and I'm a surveyor from Denmark. I just got my first job after graduating. My job is to take point clouds into Microstation v8i Descartes SELECTSeries 3 and then model them.

This is my first time working with Microstation and Descartes, it seems that no one else in the company knows how to do these things, so I'm on my own here, and thus need some starting help. I've watched these two videos:

http://link.videoplatform.limelight.com/media/?mediaId=388c5971555b4b61ae778bd3df2bcd0a&width=480&height=411&playerForm=6a6b96d1f08d456f81ec5ab10c9f3a24

http://link.videoplatform.limelight.com/media/?mediaId=c25100b0d5dd4ee6b6566da2f7e09645&width=480&height=411&playerForm=6a6b96d1f08d456f81ec5ab10c9f3a24

They've not helped me that much. I guess I'm too new to Microstation to narrow down my challenges to specifics, do you guys know of where I can find tutorials that'll help my create 3d models based on the point cloud I have?

I have yet to figure out how "Smart Snap" and "Visual Explorer" works. I can only set tolerances for these tools to values larger than 1 and I don't know how to rotate the on screen marker for these tools.

I have managed to create two planes now. One horizontal and one vertical, but I I'm not good enough yet, to reliably make the same plane twice.

So I guess it boils down to whether someone here knows of basic tutorials that covers my challenges, preferably with sample data.

Best regards,

Jacob Collstrup

  • Heya,

    Thanks for the replies. I've taken some screenshots and asked about what exactly I need to model. The first image is the wireframe. I made that from just the end planes. I made a patch using CloudWorx and turned that patch into a mesh. I did that for both ends. Then I tied them together using the "Mesh from Two Curves" function. Which gave me the entire wireframe. But then the whole middle part of the point cloud isn't used in the modelling. That bothers me.

    Here is the wireframe and pointcloud:

    There are a few holes in it. Some are supposed to be there, door as and such others are just errors from the photogrammetric procedures. The las image shows the problem with the method that I've used:

    I used Cloud Compare, to check the deviations between my 3d model and the point cloud. It looks ok in the end, but the middle is sort of 'hanging' since the point cloud wasn't used as control for the model.

    I asked what the results needs to be. I need to draw the two ends and a cross-section from the middle of the tank. So that'd be three 2d-drawings, I need to draw the outline of the tank, as seen from the side, with door and trap-door markings. And a top view drawing, with door and trap-door markings of all five of these tanks. Lastly a solid, 3d model with doors cut out. One we can measure in, if we need additional info than what the series of 2d drawings can provide. I suppose I can use the 'Region grow -> patch' from Leica CloudWorx for the end sections, but I'm unsure how to do the rest of it...

    I hope this long post didn't knock the air out of you guys! 

    Best regards,

    Jacob Collstrup

  • You can create a series of section elements and create a surface form sections using more than two sections.

    The direction of the elements must match - left to right or right to left, clockwise or counter-clockwise. If they close, the start points should also align.

    I used display depths and rotated views - some via key-ins, some graphically. There is also a delta display depth key-in so you can easily move forward and backward in your slice. For example, if your view is aligned so the view Z runs from the front to the rear of the tank and you are looking at a specific depth slice, like 1' or 0.5 Meters, to "step forward or back 5 units at a time, the key-in DD=5,5 or DD=-5,-5, followed by a data point in the view, will move you forward and backward 5 units. It basically is moving both the front and rear clipping planes for you in unison.

    Then, at each slice, you trace an outline. In a few minutes, you have a multitude of sections to make a surface from.

    Other useful key-ins:

    RV=90,0,0

    RV=0,90,0

    RV=0,0,90

    Copy View

    Rotate View Points

    The 3 point view rotation must be done with with the Z axis locked so that the rotation is only around a single axis.

    This is useful to align the view and model so that the 90 degree rotations above will allow you to quickly make a top, front and side view of a scanned area when the scan axis is not aligned with the target object.

    Some of these can be used with Auxiliary coordinates, but the truth is, I have done many a model without using a single auxiliary coordinate system.


    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996