assistance on setting up new company workspace

Hello all,

I am an engineer who has been tasked with upgrading our workspace to newer times. With all new computers shipping with Windows 10 and SS2 no longer being supported, out hand has been forced in upgrading...

I have high design skills but only intermediate knowledge of how MicroStation "innards" works.

We have been using SS2 (MicroStation and PowerDraft) for over 10 years. The workspace/cfg was piece mealed to work from a previous companies set up. In short, it is a mess and > 10 years of chaos....

Current products / setup:

We have 30 or so cadd users. all profiles on the server.

MicroStation SS2 (with InRoads), Power Draft SS2, and PowerInRoads SS2.

All run by changing the MSLocal.cfg to point to a workspace on our "F" drive for the workspace and "P" drive for the actual cadd files

EVERYTHING is stored here.

What we need:

  1. Access to standards (Cells, plot drivers, dgnlibs, macros, seed file, text rsc files, color tables) on server so we can make changes in one spot
    1. Have 3 "sets of standards" from different clients
  2. A way to differentiate between clients for projects. I assume this can be easily done in the .pcf in the project folder. 
    1. I envision the following where A is loaded, and either B and C is depending on which "project" is selected.
      1. company wide standards
      2. Client 1 standards
      3. client 2 standards

What I know (and don't):

I know that the UPF on the server is the likely cause of speed issues.

I've done some research and have come up with a few paths to follow....I know number 1 is "frowned upon" based on my reading of the Bentley community forums but may be "easiest" to do.

  1. copy entire workspace to server "F drive" again, change mslocal.cfg, add pertinent cells, dgnlibs, etc to the proper location. 
    1. With this set up, not sure how to move the UPF to the local drives
    2. This doesn't "future proof" us...
  2. Bentley LEARN. "Manage Project Configurations" - says to add a line of code in the "standards.cfg" that points to the server for a "global.cfg" and "userdata.cfg" Allows us to utilize the server for project related items.
    1. The learning center mentions using the "global.cfg" and "userdata.cfg" files they provide as needed, and modify to fit. I cant find/download these files. 
    2. Not sure exactly what sort of code these need as I havnt seen the examples
  3. Via "Bears" blogs. Add a .cfg to the "appl" directory. His blogs are very technical and almost seem "more than we need" but I am not sure.
    1. Same as above. Im not sure 

Thanks,

Dylan 

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  • Is there a reason you don't want to use what you already have in place and working ?

    Timothy Hickman

    CADD Manager | CADD Department

    timothy.hickman@colliersengineering.com

    Main: 877 627 3772| 

    1000 Waterview Drive Suite 201 | Hamilton, New Jersey 08691

  • Thanks for the response Tim.

    Our "workspace" is a hodgepodge of stuff we don't need. There are toolbars missing, buttons that don't work, etc. I believe this is due to having the workspace on the network that is utilizing older system files. In short, it is a mess and I want to clean it up... 

    We are "being forced" to upgrade to SS4. SS2 is not compatible with Windows 10...I can say SS2/windows 10 is running on most machines in our office...but doesn't appear to like it.. Bentley will not help trouble shoot any future issues with SS2/Windows10.

    We also want to upgrade due to sluggishness of the program. I am currently running a "clean" SS4 off the network and it is lightning fast... 

    If you are thinking of another way that is easier, I am all ears!! I want this to work, and know how its working so we don't run into this issue again down the road with future upgrades...

    Thanks,

    Dylan

     

  • so SS4 is not running the same workspace as the other versions ?

    Timothy Hickman

    CADD Manager | CADD Department

    timothy.hickman@colliersengineering.com

    Main: 877 627 3772| 

    1000 Waterview Drive Suite 201 | Hamilton, New Jersey 08691

  • Hi Dylan,

    Take a look at MicroStation - QuickConfig Standard, that might be a route for you to start setting up a clean V8i Workspace. This uses an mslocal.cfg syntax that avoids any need to work in the 'appl' folder; we recommend not modifying files other than mslocal.cfg in the C:\Program Files (x86)\Bentley\MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries)\MicroStation path.

    The techniques in Bear's blogs are equally valid when applied to CFG files in the networked Workspace's Standards folder.

    If your current Workspace uses UPF files located on the server, we do recommend locating them locally for maximum stability and performance. If your users roam between machines Windows Roaming Profiles is one solution to keeping their preferences consistent.

    Futureproofing... have you considered moving to CONNECT Edition? As you are reviewing your whole configuration this would be the optimum time to migrate!

    Marc

    Answer Verified By: DshannonNTM 

  • Correct,

    The old workspace from SS2 is very poorly set up and is very buggy. We are trying to start from an "out of the box" install and update to fit a new workspace layout. 

    I also read on this forum that SS4 workspace and SS2 workspaces don't "play nice"...not sure how true that is though...

  • Marc,

    Thanks for the information, I will take a look at the link you provided tonight. 

    I will have talk to my boss about SS4 vs Connect series...I am sure there is a reason...I assume we wont want to upgrade that far due to compatibility concerns. Our main client is a state agency who is currently still working in SS2 environment. Im not sure of the compatibility issues with DTMs, ALGs, Roadway templates, ect. I will have to do some digging in the AM. Thanks!!

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  • Marc,

    Thanks for the information, I will take a look at the link you provided tonight. 

    I will have talk to my boss about SS4 vs Connect series...I am sure there is a reason...I assume we wont want to upgrade that far due to compatibility concerns. Our main client is a state agency who is currently still working in SS2 environment. Im not sure of the compatibility issues with DTMs, ALGs, Roadway templates, ect. I will have to do some digging in the AM. Thanks!!

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