Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 05:56:24 GMT

It is weird, I created the chinese ribbon again, this time it is OK. I compared both chinese ribbons, but I didn't find any difference.

In general, the CE language is not used to control customised ribbon. It can be controlled by named expression, same as V8i.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 03:00:28 GMT

I revised the ribbon many times since it doesn't work, maybe some trash information left...

As you said there are two english ribbons and one chinese ribbon, there should be problem for the "duplicated" english ribbon. But the result is, the duplicated english ribbon can display as soon as the CE language is EN and the Visibility is True, there is no problem on it. For the "good" chinese ribbon, since there is no CN language in my CE, it cannot display, that's the problem.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

dorlig na — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 02:53:00 GMT

sorry. I'm answering "BTW, did you notice that there is a "custom" suffixed on my chinese ribbon but not on the english ribbon. Shouldn't them be same?"

this is because there are two English tabs defined in the PineApp.dgnlib. You side you created two version one of which is for English another is Chinese. but in fact there are three ribbon tabs defined in the PineApp.dgnlib. two of them are English and with complete duplicate groups but the ribbon tab name is only deferent respect character case. one is PineApp, another is PineAPP.

if you use keyin "ribbon customizations exportecxml" to export to xml. and delete one duplicate in the xml, then use keyin "ribbon customizations importecxml", the you will see (custom) suffix for the PineApp ribbon tab in the ribbon customization dialog

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 02:36:20 GMT

I created task/menu in V8i, and ribbon in CE.

I know one way to create them only. Yes ribbon customization dialog.

Do you have multiple languages in your CE? If you have, would you please help me to test my assumption?

My assumption: there is no MS language in V8i, the menu is fully controlled by named expression. But for CE, even the named expression is True, but if the language of the ribbon does not match the language of CE, it won't show neither.

Thanks a lot.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

dorlig na — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 02:35:42 GMT

the problem here is that there are 2 ribbon tabs nearly with duplicated names. one is PineApp and another is PineAPP. the deference is the character case. but the program treat ribbon names case insensitive so that we treat one as the base of another. if one tab has base then we don't think it's a customization.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

dorlig na — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 02:31:35 GMT

which product do you use to create the PineApp.dgnlib? V8i ss* or Connect Edition?

How do you create them? using ribbon customization dialog? or ?

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 02:21:44 GMT

Hello Dorlig,

I created a Task and a Menu for V8i, I think that's why you saw three, a task, a menu and a ribbon.

Thanks a lot.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

dorlig na — Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:42:09 GMT

answer to "BTW, did you notice that there is a "custom" suffixed on my chinese ribbon but not on the english ribbon. Shouldn't them be same?"

if you use keyin "ribbon customizations exportecxml", you'll find that there are three tabs defined in the PineApp.dgnlib two of which are duplicate with name "Pineapp.PineAPP". I don't know how this happen. Do you know how this happen?

if there are duplicate tabs, we will set one as the baseline of another and merge their groups and only display one tab. Then in our code we won't add suffix "custom" to it.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:53:16 GMT

Hello Marc,

There is only one language En in my CE, So I cannot test.

For CE, the best way might be set display "always" on the different ribbons, let the MS language determine which one to show.

If so, there is another problem, for example my case here, I cannot show chinese ribbon on english MS?

Thanks a lot.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Marc Thomas — Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:32:32 GMT

The way that we handle language support has changed in CE, which I did not take into account in my initial reply. Each of your users can now select their preferred language in User Preferences, which should be remembered between sessions:

That may be the appropriate solution here. If you change this preference from the default of en to zh are your custom menus translated correctly?

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:13:59 GMT

Hello master Fu,

In fact I didn't access MS language, I defined a variable and named expressions to control which ribbon/menu/task to show.

I think it is better to use a variable to control the ribbon/menu/task, since all the MS/windows are probably english version, but I'd like to show chinese menu for chinese users who is using MS/windows english version.

The menu/task works fine in V8i, but ribbon doesn't work in CE, even I have checked the named expressions in CE, they are OK.

Would you please try the dgnlib in your CE? None of them show here. Thanks a lot.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Yongan.Fu — Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:03:07 GMT

Hello Mr. Ling,

CE is very different with V8i in localized language. In CE, you can change your MS language by selecting File > Settings > User > Preferences > Language with only one MSCE installation. So I don't think it is a good idea to define a variable to determine what language you use.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Wed, 17 Jul 2019 01:44:26 GMT

Hello Kim,

I have already did so. it works in V8i, but failed in CE.

Does it work on your CE? According to my setting, if there is no variable PINEAPP_LAN defined or its value is EN, only the english ribbon show; if PINEAPP_LAN is CH, only the chinese ribbon show. But none of them show in my CE regardless the variable PINEAPP_LAN.

BTW, did you notice that there is a "custom" suffixed on my chinese ribbon but not on the english ribbon. Shouldn't them be same?

Thanks a lot!

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Hyung Kim — Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:16:16 GMT

In CE, we use MS_GUIDGNLIBLIST. After applying the setting with your one of named expressions, the expected GUI was visible. Here enclosed an image for reference.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:05:30 GMT

After tested, succeed in MS V8i. But failed in CE.

I1. Created a variable PINEAPP_LAN

2. Created two named expression IsPineAppCN/IsPineAppEN, if the variable value is CN/EN, the corresponding named expression are True/False accordingly.

3.Set Show/Hide Test as one of the named expression.

It works fine in V8i. But none of them show in CE ribbon if visibility is set as one of the named expression. Also it is weird that even I have set the chinese menu to Always, it cannot show neither.

Can anyone help me to have a look at the ribbon part? Thanks a lot!

communities.bentley.com/.../PineApp.dgnlib

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 06:00:39 GMT

I tested again, if I used an existing named expression like "Is2DModel", it works, the visibility can change.

Then I created a new named expression which is same as "Is2DModel" except the Internal/External Name/Description, the test result is correct "False", but the visibility cannot work.

Maybe it is not the boolean or text string True/False issue, there are some other places.

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Changsong Ling — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 03:42:01 GMT

Hello Marc,

Thanks for your reply. It is very useful.

I did test as per your example, there are some questions:

1. I created a variable "MyVariable", the value could be 0/1, True/False(all text string instead of boolean T/F)

2. The xml link doesn't work so I cannot download it. I created a new one as per the snapshot, and it should works, it can reture the valve of my text variable.

3. But the visibility test failed by using my named expression. I have tried other existing expression which retures boolean True/False and OK. Even I have revised MyVariable to show True/False(text string) which looks same as the boolean True/False, but failed still. It looks visibility accept boolean True/False only.

4. To get the boolean True/False, I'd like to know hot to set boolean T/F in variable, or convert it to boolean T/F in named expression as per text value of variable?

Thanks a lot!

RE: Does customize dgnlib support bilingual?

Marc Thomas — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:07:49 GMT

Hi,

You may be able to do this using Named Expressions using the value of configuration variable _USTN_LOCALE_LANGUAGE. This uses standard Windows codes, 'en' for english and 'zh-cn' for Chinese (there are other Chinese variations).
The example illustrated below creates a test with a True/False result depending on the value of _USTN_LOCALE_LANGUAGE.

Download the linked xml file and import it into the named Expression dialog in your DGNLIB (File > Import XML...)

/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/343321/IsLocaleEn.xml

Use this Named Expression to control the visibility of the English menu:

Create and apply a similar Named Expression for 'zh-cn' or the variation that you are using.

That should work.