drawing rules

I am working on drawing extraction since 6 month , I discovered that when you setup any rule then any modification on the model property the result will be disaster like ( the annotation will get back to its original place, disappear some times , duplicates ) any suggestion

  • I assume you are talking about Door and Window Numbers?
    If so...
    I stopped using that function and create my symbols and numbers manually. A Lot quicker even on tough projects as the numbers are NOT 2-way linked either so no real benefit.
    Any changes I make are quicker to do manually.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • Must agree
    Allegedly these are used with some success in Structural, but in many years of Architectural work have never seen them used. I would avoid using them. It's a well intioned move by Bentley, but it's a case of barking up the wrong tree here. This sort of 'feature' really isn't a priority at this stage. There are many better, more fruitful things to be spending your time doing/using

    Regards

    Danny Cooley

    Freelance AEC CAD/BIM Technician Architecture, MEP & Structural  ..... (& ex Low Carbon Consultant, ..... because they weren't that bothered!)

    OBD Update 10, Windows 10 Pro, HP Z4-G4, 64Gb, Xeon 3.6GHz, Quadro M4000

  • Drawing extraction and architectural rules???  Do you mean dynamic views and rules for labels such as doors, windows, and spaces?  If so, our experience with dynamic views and automatic annotations for doors and windows were the same as yours.  I'm pretty sure the labels will cooperate just fine as long as one users is opening the related drawing views and sheets.  The minute another user opens a drawing or sheet with Enable Auto Annotations activated, the labels begin their mysterious behavior.  I'm sure there's a logic, but it's not very logical. :)  I never got a chance to implement it, but I think we should have set BB_AUTOANNOTATION = Manual at the site level so the annotations required a manual update each and every time... except the first time a drawing was opened.

    Mark Mates - BIM Manager - Mason & Hanger

  • ...disappear sometimes? Sounds like mechanical annotation. If so, I recommend delaying initial annotation refresh/extraction as long as possible, because each time you hit that "refresh" button all rule-annos get reset to default. Also same thing if you enter the Drawing Model with "Enable Auto Anno" active; -So Mark's suggestion is very important. Too, when you modify straight duct/pipe in any way, all associated DG annotation and rule-based annotation is mostly forfeit. There are then, a bunch of halfass work-arounds that I use to get rule-annos extracted when additional mechanical components are added at a later time, or when revisions are made:

    Please test these first in a file where it doesn't matter:

    If you have to use the "Refresh" button where rule-annos already exist in a Drawing Model, then Select and "Group" all the annotations that you want to be unaffected, then hit Refresh. You'll need to then delete all the duplicates that are generated for the Grouped annos. The last step is to Drop the Group. The annos will then resume their associations (such as they are).

    Another I use for new straight duct/pipe that need elevation labels in a Drawing Model already populated with rule-base elevation labels: Label the new duct/pipe in the Drawing Model with the "size" DG anno cell. Go back to Design Model and stretch one end of the new duct/pipe and reconnect it exactly where it already was; Two things will happen in the Drawing Model, 1. The "size" DG anno cell will disappear, 2. The rule-based elevation labels will appear.  If there's a lot to do, it's helpful to employ "Multi-Model Views".

    Prettydamnridiculousandembarrassing,butthat'sthestateofitfornow: Disastrous!

    Jeff

  • Part of the issue here as even though this is ABD several projects use different tools for similar tasks.
    For the Arch side - door and window numbers don't work well and can cause change orders in the field or wasted time redoing work in the office. too much to monitor and fix all the time.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc