Does Bentley have a "BIM Deployment Plan" for implementing BIM in companies to help deliver projects faster, more cost-effectively, and more sustainably?
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Ustn since 1988SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64bEric D. MilbergerArchitect + Master Planner + BIMSenior Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight CenterThe Milberger Architectural Group, llc
Eric Milberger said:I understand the 3d model to Drawings, but it is not clear of how to : Integrate a live method for takeoffs A valid Parts list that creates a specification 2d tools to identify and label documentation based upon integrated element data Ease of coordination with Disiplines with EASE. Multiple platforms in use.
Yea... it would be good to have a detailed workflow defined for these tasks. I think a lot of users hear about tools and functionality that Bentley apparently have are regularly disappointed when they actually try to use them in production.
Maybe some one should 'donate' a live project data set of reasonable complexity for Bentley to 'test drive'. The bigger the better, This would allow the dev team to 'dog food' their own code and UI a it more throughly before letting things loose on users. Emil?
Especially important for planning stage in those 5-weekly Scrum sprint cycles? Where there is a very short period to define what is required. Seems that scrum entails short periods for everything and lots of pressure on the developers.
I can't help thinking that UI niceties are the first to be traded off in this environment... so it would be good to define the desired workflow from a user perspective well before it gets chucked into the scrum machine.
"As per rules of Scrum, Scrum master job is to remove all impediments for his team and the product owner's job is to provide the requirements in stories which will help to build or complete the project incrementally."
Maybe the novella should be circulated in the favela for comment before the initial planning week, to allow some reality checks by users at the coal face. The problem is that most users will not have time to do this. Probably needs to be planned way in advance.
Devil in the detail. Providing a good UX takes a lot of detailed consideration of what the user goes through and to ensure a smooth 'Human Computer Interface'.
I wonder if Bentley gives their coders some training on how to ensure what they code up is actually 'Bentley' not Yugo, UX-wise. The way the Scrum-o-rama is supposed to work, I bet these kind of 'UX niceties' don't make it onto the 'Quality Items Pileup'.
Anyways, we digress.
stuartw said:Does Bentley have a "BIM Deployment Plan" for implementing BIM in companies to help deliver projects faster, more cost-effectively, and more sustainably?
I think Stuart is asking for more than how to set up an AecoSim site or team. Having said that the set up and proper functioning of a CAD/BIM team these days is not to be taken for granted.... especially if you are working within a WAN set up. Fundamental that the seed files and correct precision, geo-coordination, caching topology etc are all done at the beginning. As this has a huge impact on speed => total time spent on the job => fees and programme. Every little percentage point you lose due to those users having to wait for files to load is a percentage point less margin off your fee/profit. Never mind the delay penalties if you miss your deadlines.Revit users suffer long load and sync times, but AecoSIm users tend to waste a lot of time hoping between files. A little change in a Ref means the whole file will need to be re-loaded.
I think any AecoSim deployment will need to include something like ProjectWise Essentials or equivalent.
A distributed set up is something that is going to be much more common with BIM, espcially with regards to providing and maintaining a CDE as required by Level 2 BIM.
There will also be more conversion and data transformation overheads. Weekly clash detection means weekly conversions to Navis or whatever is being used. Most consulatants won't be co-located or working off Mstn, so DWG or IFC or Revit conversions will be much more prevalent.
Level 2 does not require attributes to be incorporated into the models, but your client will very probably want COBie at the end of the job. This means incremental 'data drops' to the dataset. Who will be responsible for ensuring that all those door,window, taps, hand wash basin component libraries that you users have been inserting into your drawings / models have the correct schemas? How would you cross-reference or link this info to your specs and schedules for that faster, more cost-effectively, and more sustainably stuff? Workflow to convert those libs built up over the years?
It would be good to extend the old QuickStart vid series to cover some specific workflows as Emil has outlined.
Who knows, this might allow us a head-to-head comparison with the competition on specific workfkows. For example, how good are AecoSIm's spreadsheet links with Excel compared to Revit + Ideate BIMlink? Sure, there would be gaps... and your local Bentley demo jockey might have to go 'o yea, you could use i-model transformer or Bentley Class Editor or whatever' or 'o yea, we wrote a little addin or macro for Big Famous Office XYZ'. Well, let's see it demo'd and documented. maybe even on those riveting 'Ask the Instructor' webinars.
Data transfer problems will occupy more and more time. Let's see in detail what happens to the data on the Revit or ACAD side once it get's chucked over the wall from AecoSim. Let's expose the merry suite of workarounds that will be required.
Hopefully, once exposed, the workarounds might make it onto the product manager's list of 'stories' and thereonto the dev's feature backlog... or even better the devs would get tired of having to re-write their code and see this coming and build in the requisite headroom or back door or pattern or whatever...