Does Bentley have a "BIM Deployment Plan"

Does Bentley have a "BIM Deployment Plan" for implementing BIM in companies to help deliver projects faster, more cost-effectively, and more sustainably?

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  • Is this something that Bentley provide or do i need to look elsewhere?
  • Hi,
    are you asking for an AECOsim Implementation Plan?
    The BIM (AECOsim) deployment plan should not be confused with the BIM Execution Plan.
    AECOsim deployment will deal with the software specifics, and should be part of the Company specific Protocols.
    It can deal with the model management, project standards, line styles, parts and families, datagroup properties to be contained within every object etc. if you are looking for a project deployment.
    FOr the software deployment per se, there are many guides around but standards are already delivered and can be changed to suit your requirements.
    The BIM Execution Plan will be project-wide and will not deal necessarily with AECOsim only (potentially and most probably other design authoring platforms will be also used which is not a problem from Bentley perspective, i-models/IFC or other formats can be leveraged).
    Additionally BEP will provide the guidance for Common Data Environment, workflows, design reviews, quality assurance, dates, tasks etc. Will also contain the Level of Detail/Definition/Development. For the UK definitions you can look at what NBS is doing in this field www.thenbs.com/bimtoolkit. The toolkit will be soft released the next month.
    For the US specific you can look at the BIM Forum https://bimforum.org/lod/ . Although they have not been active for a while now.

    Some Protocols can be found here.
    aecuk.files.wordpress.com/.../aecukbimprotocolforbentleyabd-modelvalidationchecklist-v2-0.pdf
    aecuk.files.wordpress.com/.../aecukbimprotocol-v2-0.pdf

    For the USA BEPs you can see http://bim.psu.edu/

    Ultimately on the LEARN server you can find my lecture about Execution Planning
    learn.bentley.com/.../ViewLearningPathDetails;callFrom=home

    If you specify further what would like to see in a "deployment plant" we could help you better.

    P.s. I you wish to learn about the BIM Implementation you can join one of our BIM Management Workshops.
    communities.bentley.com/.../103095

    Answer Verified By: Steve Cocchi 

  • I guess I am still looking for a Bentley Deployment Guide that shows how the software will impliment the BIM for a project.
    I understand the 3d model to Drawings, but it is not clear of how to :

    Integrate a live method for takeoffs
    A valid Parts list that creates a specification
    2d tools to identify and label documentation based upon integrated element data
    Ease of coordination with Disiplines with EASE. Multiple platforms in use.

    And what are the next steps to easily put this onto the job site. then to the operator and owner.

    It can be done but I only see complicated customizations by indiviuals firms doing this. It is not Integrated or being integrated into the mass of firms.

    Ustn since 1988
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    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • I understand the 3d model to Drawings, but it is not clear of how to :

    Integrate a live method for takeoffs
    A valid Parts list that creates a specification
    2d tools to identify and label documentation based upon integrated element data
    Ease of coordination with Disiplines with EASE. Multiple platforms in use.

    Yea... it would be good to have a detailed workflow defined for these tasks. I think a lot of users hear about tools and functionality that Bentley apparently have are regularly disappointed when they actually try to use them in production.

    Maybe some one should 'donate' a live project data set of reasonable complexity for Bentley to 'test drive'. The bigger the better, This would allow the dev team to 'dog food' their own code and UI a it more throughly before letting things loose on users. Emil?

    Especially important for planning stage in those 5-weekly Scrum sprint cycles? Where there is a very short period to define what is required. Seems that scrum entails short periods for everything and lots of pressure on the developers.

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    I can't help thinking that UI niceties are the first to be traded off in this environment... so it would be good to define the desired workflow from a user perspective well before it gets chucked into the scrum machine.

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  • I understand the 3d model to Drawings, but it is not clear of how to :

    Integrate a live method for takeoffs
    A valid Parts list that creates a specification
    2d tools to identify and label documentation based upon integrated element data
    Ease of coordination with Disiplines with EASE. Multiple platforms in use.

    Yea... it would be good to have a detailed workflow defined for these tasks. I think a lot of users hear about tools and functionality that Bentley apparently have are regularly disappointed when they actually try to use them in production.

    Maybe some one should 'donate' a live project data set of reasonable complexity for Bentley to 'test drive'. The bigger the better, This would allow the dev team to 'dog food' their own code and UI a it more throughly before letting things loose on users. Emil?

    Especially important for planning stage in those 5-weekly Scrum sprint cycles? Where there is a very short period to define what is required. Seems that scrum entails short periods for everything and lots of pressure on the developers.

    /cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/5932/8132.Issues_2D00_and_2D00_Challenges_2D00_in_2D00_Scrum_2D00_Implementation_2800_1_2900_.pdf

    I can't help thinking that UI niceties are the first to be traded off in this environment... so it would be good to define the desired workflow from a user perspective well before it gets chucked into the scrum machine.

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  • I'd have thought that rigorous real-life road-testing would be taken for granted - where does Bentley get its 'architect' input advice? Too often, it's failed practitioners who take refuge as teachers or expert advisers in their subject. Maybe Bentley only listens to their biggest corporate customers, thinking that they're representative of reality out there - whereas in fact they inhabit a strange specialised world. Otherwise why would Bentley be under the illusion that ABD can model 'anything' when in fact it's only fit for the most mundane (and profitable) tasks and concepts (which is all that the big boys want ABD for) - so far.
  • "As per rules of Scrum, Scrum master job is to remove all impediments for his team and the product owner's  job is to provide the requirements in stories which will help to build or complete the project incrementally."

    Maybe the novella should be circulated in the favela for comment before the initial planning week, to allow some reality checks by users at the coal face. The problem is that most users will not have time to do this. Probably needs to be planned way in advance.

    Devil in the detail. Providing a good UX takes a lot of detailed consideration of what the user goes through and to ensure a smooth 'Human Computer Interface'.

    http://insidethefactory.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/02/user-performance-roundup.html

    I wonder if Bentley gives their coders some training on how to ensure what they code up is actually 'Bentley' not Yugo, UX-wise. The way the Scrum-o-rama is supposed to work, I bet these kind of 'UX niceties' don't make it onto the 'Quality Items Pileup'.

     

  • Anyways, we digress.

    stuartw said:
    Does Bentley have a "BIM Deployment Plan" for implementing BIM in companies to help deliver projects faster, more cost-effectively, and more sustainably?

    I think Stuart is asking for more than how to set up an AecoSim site or team. Having said that the set up and proper functioning of a CAD/BIM team these days is not to be taken for granted.... especially if you are working within a WAN set up. Fundamental that the seed files and correct precision, geo-coordination, caching topology etc are all done at the beginning. As this has a huge impact on speed => total time spent on the job => fees and programme. Every little percentage point you lose due to those users having to wait for files to load is a percentage point less margin off your fee/profit. Never mind the delay penalties if you miss your deadlines.Revit users suffer long load and sync times, but AecoSIm users tend to waste a lot of time hoping between files. A little change in a Ref means the whole file will need to be re-loaded.

    I think any AecoSim deployment will need to include something like ProjectWise Essentials or equivalent.

    A distributed set up is something that is going to be much more common with BIM, espcially with regards to providing and maintaining a CDE as required by Level 2 BIM.

    There will also be more conversion and data transformation overheads. Weekly clash detection means weekly conversions to Navis or whatever is being used. Most consulatants won't be co-located or working off Mstn, so DWG or IFC or Revit conversions will be much more prevalent.

    Level 2 does not require attributes to be incorporated into the models, but your client will very probably want COBie at the end of the job. This means incremental 'data drops'  to the dataset. Who will be responsible for ensuring that all those door,window, taps, hand wash basin component libraries that you users have been inserting into your drawings / models have the correct schemas? How would you cross-reference or link this info to your specs and schedules for that faster, more cost-effectively, and more sustainably stuff? Workflow to convert those libs built up over the years?

    It would be good to extend the old QuickStart vid series to cover some specific workflows as Emil has outlined.

    Who knows, this might allow us a head-to-head comparison with the competition on specific workfkows. For example, how good are AecoSIm's spreadsheet links with Excel compared to Revit + Ideate BIMlink? Sure, there would be gaps... and your local Bentley demo jockey might have to go 'o yea, you could use i-model transformer or Bentley Class Editor or whatever' or 'o yea, we wrote a little addin or macro for Big Famous Office XYZ'. Well, let's see it demo'd and documented. maybe even on those riveting 'Ask the Instructor' webinars.

    Data transfer problems will occupy more and more time. Let's see in detail what happens to the data on the Revit or ACAD side once it get's chucked over the wall from AecoSim. Let's expose the merry suite of workarounds that will be required.

    Hopefully, once exposed, the workarounds might make it onto the product manager's list of 'stories' and thereonto the dev's feature backlog... or even better the devs would get tired of having to re-write their code and see this coming and build in the requisite headroom or back door or pattern or whatever...

  • I'd be glad to work with Bently on my Dataset as it is Not complex just organized and big. but when offered before, Bentley did not want a Dataset that would match products like timberline, MasterSpec and Means. I know part of this is MasterSpec's copyright - however I had spoken with the company years ago and they were very receptive.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc