PAZ DOORS - Structural Opening as input parameter

The GB Dataset is one of the worse. People at Bentley only seem to work with the US Dataset which appears to be the most stable of the available Datasets thus they don't see the errors in another Dataset. The single and double flush door in the GB Dataset are a total joke, changing a dimension value screws up the door big time, single doors all of a sudden loose their metadata, just to name a couple.

I have added an object as my SO instead of spending more time to just adjust Leaf Width in PCS. Can't wait to jump back ship!

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The single and double flush door in the GB Dataset are a total joke, changing a dimension value screws up the door big time, single doors all of a sudden loose their metadata, just to name a couple.

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Would you mind expanding these statements to something specific that we can respond to and offer useful advice on?

Marc,

I will be honest, I don't need any advice (I am not using ABD that much anymore) as this software contains too many bugs, is not consistent and, frankly, I am tired of all the work-arounds. For me a software should either do something or do not something and not take 10 steps and you will get it done.

Anyways, I have uploaded a video showing my statement mentioned above.

 

HTH

OK - but I have a question as you are looking at the Heads up display as a tool. That is good - never did but good idea.
For me it would work BECAUSE the person that built this door made it with that as the start of his door. It is all based upon the door size which is typical here in the U.S. We have several stock sizes but no off sizes unless custom and costly.

So that being said I still don't see the issue . If I adjust the model so that the door has an appropriate sized frame and off set.

I still get a door that is right, a frame that is right and a opening that is right. I would then measure NOT with the HUD measurement unless there was a SWITCH to chose another HUD dimension to display.
I would just begin by measuring off the structure or try an auto dimension off the wall which would be what you want, I think.

Now what you have shown in the last step is a BAD PCS door. Bentley does not have any policy I can tell to actively keep these up to date or fixed in a timely manner. this has been the shame since we really don't have a full set of doors yet. Now I do as I have built all my own PCS doors that at least fix this type of issue.
But I still need doors beyond this. As where is the door trim for that door, or the material relative to that specific door. That is not possible with PCS in any reasonable fashion. 100 doors all the same with 5 different color combinations that create 40 different doors. That is not possible.


I like the HUD ability and would assume (As I have worked in the UK and Middle East. And I'd model the doors and frames and rough opening too. And all would work and I'd just change the door leaf width to affect the other two dimensions. Made usre the master was always built around the most common door type.

I thinks some of this issue is the unfriendliness of PCS and that of all the XML crappy dialogs to control them in a very slow and lazy develoment way.

OK - but I have a question as you are looking at the Heads up display as a tool. That is good - never did but good idea.
For me it would work BECAUSE the person that built this door made it with that as the start of his door. It is all based upon the door size which is typical here in the U.S. We have several stock sizes but no off sizes unless custom and costly.

So that being said I still don't see the issue . If I adjust the model so that the door has an appropriate sized frame and off set.

I still get a door that is right, a frame that is right and a opening that is right. I would then measure NOT with the HUD measurement unless there was a SWITCH to chose another HUD dimension to display.
I would just begin by measuring off the structure or try an auto dimension off the wall which would be what you want, I think.

Now what you have shown in the last step is a BAD PCS door. Bentley does not have any policy I can tell to actively keep these up to date or fixed in a timely manner. this has been the shame since we really don't have a full set of doors yet. Now I do as I have built all my own PCS doors that at least fix this type of issue.
But I still need doors beyond this. As where is the door trim for that door, or the material relative to that specific door. That is not possible with PCS in any reasonable fashion. 100 doors all the same with 5 different color combinations that create 40 different doors. That is not possible.


I like the HUD ability and would assume (As I have worked in the UK and Middle East. And I'd model the doors and frames and rough opening too. And all would work and I'd just change the door leaf width to affect the other two dimensions. Made usre the master was always built around the most common door type.

I thinks some of this issue is the unfriendliness of PCS and that of all the XML crappy dialogs to control them in a very slow and lazy develoment way.

Eric,

The issue is, regardless of the dimension, the door should work and not screw up the door in 2D and 3D. I am not interested in that it works when you use smaller dimensions. I want to place a door with a certain dimension and that's it. I don't want to perform more work after placing and changing the dimension.

You have a certain way of creating your work like many of us do, I personally don't want to spend time creating a new door style if there is already one available. The beauty of Revit is that you create one door family that contains many types (of that door model) so you don't have 100's of different door types.

As usual, another video for Bentley so they can see how other software actually work.

HTH

This can be done with a new pcs door.
the problem again is all doors are designed by the size of the door not by the opening.
I personally see that you way would be more flexible as it would be easier for me to change my method than you.
Good thoughts and the presentation helps as the HUD dimensions could then work better