floor manager

I am unclear on what the floor manager is supposed to do

I am told with Revit when MEP services are modelled they can be automatically annotated and dimensioned

Does the floor manager enable automatic labelling of duct/pipe levels and dimensions off grids?

If that is its purpose is there a guide or example avaliable

i have been working on a number of large projects using the Bentley mechanical software and they were all manually dimensioned and had  manually edited level cells

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  • Hi David, just to get back to your original question...
    When you place mechanical components with a floor set active, the Base Offset value set in the place component tool settings will be relative to that floor. In common with other ABD tools the Base Offset is only used at placement and is not stored.
    Regarding auto-annotation the mechanical Drawing Rules can be modified/created to show a range of values: Top/Centre/Bottom of duct and Invert levels at start and stop of run for pipework. These are all measured from model zero, not from each floor as we do not store the initial placement Base Offset.

    Marc

  • But if the elevations of floor change and thus ACS changes - Do the mechanical units , stairs, other floors, ceilings, structure, - do they change ?

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  • Yes they do in Revit.

    HTH

  • Hi Majang
    And the doors seem to have handles...
    Lots of thanks for the videos Majang. They are useful to compare and thinking....
    Regards
    Borja
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  • You are very welcome. Bentley will never be able to introduce the quick changing of the floor heights that you can see in the video above. It is very funny that Bentley always compares AECOsim with Revit, as you can see AECOsim can't compete with Revit. Doing simple basic things is a nightmare and time consuming process.
  • Hi Mjang
    We remember someone told us that linking ABD elements to floor heights was a byzantine debate inside Bentley.
    Well, we think we must have this option from the beginning in ABD, later the user can choose use it or not depending on the project.
    We see you are fully convinced about Revit. We are still deciding wich software use as main platform. Your videos are useful to us to compare, assuming Revit has its own problems and things to fix.
    Regards
    Borja
  • It has become a philosophical thing. If Bentley could just focus on making productive output for a while. When you are invested for 35 years a change is hard. But when you can no longer hire engineers that use the same software it makes you think.
    the Potential is better than Revit however we need a Rocky moment here.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • Unknown said:
    Bentley will never be able to introduce the quick changing of the floor heights that you can see in the video above. It is very funny that Bentley always compares AECOsim with Revit, as you can see AECOsim can't compete with Revit. Doing simple basic things is a nightmare and time consuming process

    Yea... this has been requested by users many times before. One example. Another.

    But don't put all the blame on the developers at Bentley. Even if some of their support guys seem to try to discourage it. The real culprits are the users, who did NOT want Revit-style parametrics. Go back and look at some of the posts from 6-7 years ago. Users were positively terrified of 'fly-by-wire' parametrics and propagation.

    These were the users (and CAD admins) who generally only knew Bentley products and mostly CAD draftsmen working on large infrastructure projects where the design did not have to 'flex' very much and were handed down from engineers to be CAD'd up. At that point, the 'dark side' was ADT and not Revit.

    There was also this silly survey, seemingly confirming that the non-parametric Bentley ways were preferred over Revit. What a marketing coup / abdication of technical leadership and disaster.

    The whole question of how and what type of smart relationships are needed has been discussed plenty. I presume that this kind of thing is discussed by Bentley internally as well. It's not as if there is a shortage of ideas of how or what parametrics can be implemented.

    The problem seems to be the glacial pace that Bentley seems to approach things. ABD's track record on parametrics seems to be strewn with half-baked partial solutions that end up being work-a-round millstones rather than the sharp tools you would enjoy using. I think that the only way out is if platforms builds in the equivalent of Triforma's Joins into its Parametric Solids and the Parametric Content Modeler gets re-booted as the successor to PCS and a general parametric API. Maybe later, GC would be integrated into Parametric Solids like FeatureScript is part of Onshape. Bentley has been talking about AEC Assembly Modeling for at least a decade. It needs to pick up the pace.

    Maybe now that Bentley has done a deal with CABRTech, there will be some more money in the kitty. Maybe PKPM-CAD will morph into ABD for the China market, and we get some money to completely re-write ABD as a Revit-killer :-)

    Bentley Open-Speedi-Pro-Max Bulding Designer.. ?

  • Currently we have a grid tool NOT a Floor Manager as it does not really manage the floor or its associates.
    We do need the grid tied to floors where elements are relative to the ACS of that floor.
    Ceilings, ducts, beams, spaces all relative to the floor. Formulas too, so that you can complete a real space with strata of ceiling, plenum, joist, etc.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc