ABD - DV & Documentation

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I have to deal with both ABD and Revit due to client requirements and I have to say that Revit's output documentation process (views, 2d Plans, sections elevations and even camera outputs as well as sheets) are far superior to the current MS/ABD DVs.

I am pro Bentley and I want to know if Bentley have anything in the pipelines to help the users create clean, nice looking, customizable 2d outputs from the 3d models.  

The current DVs are sorry to say... not fit for purpose and hinder users more than benefit.  I have larger Bentley users (Grimshaws, Moots etc......) of ABD actually preferring to switch to DEM rather than use DVs.  That itself says things aren't right...

Bentley.... can you tell us what will happen in the future and when will we see this....

Thank you 

Ian 

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  • We currently recommend the use of cached workflows as discussed in my blog ABD SS6 - Best Practices - Cached Visible Edges and in our BIM Managers workshop (I think we both attended one of these in London?).

    The customization of output is introduced in the Customizing Dynamic Views to Optimize Drawing Production training session which demonstrates the range of options available.

    Future development for the CONNECT version of ABD will include the incremental caching feature currently available in MicroStation CONNECT Edition and further performance improvements.

    Marc

  • Hi Marc
    We are sorry but we are totally agree with Ian. Currently you don't work only with plan views. We think it is not only a question about cache edges. As he says "to help the users create clean, nice looking, customizable 2d outputs from the 3d models"
    Any improvement in ABD CONNECT version about this?
    Regards.
    Borja
  • DV's are MicroStation tools and not ABD. Why do users think that ABD CONNECT is going to solve everything??? There are still thousands of logged Enhancements/Troubles, years ago, which have not been added or resolved till today.
  • Hi Marc

    Thank you for the reply. And I fully understand where you are coming from and yes I was there.

    Simple models can produce a so so 2d extraction. However, in reality huge complex BIM models i.e. TI# (RSHP), Northern Line extension (MOTTS), London's Super Sewer (Thames Tideway), London Underground to name a few........ the use of DV's is considered a hindrance rather than a benefit. Thus, these strategic Bentley users all prefer to use very OLD but reliable DEM (which Bentley have reportedly stated they will discontinue)

    As an example. I have seen one of the above projects struggle to get consistent DV's out of their model. In some cases these DVs can take 30 + minutes to Caches/Dynamic/Cache to process for each DV, thus they have missed important deadlines and BIM deliverable. Additionally, they could process a DV on a Thursday and get (Result A) and the same model same user process the same DV on Friday and get a different result (Result B).

    One of the above clients has now remodelled the same model in Revit and they can get the 2d views out in seconds

    Something has to change!!!!. We just want a process that is manageable, the outputs are easy to modify, works better than Revit, consistently accurate and FAST!!!

    What ARE BENTLEY doing to improve this..........what does the future hold........
  • Improvement of DV performance is a primary objective for ABD CONNECT. We will have more to say on this as we approach the EAP later in the summer.

    Marc

  • Cache is not a solution as it takes the same time to create as a DV and then is obsolete in 5 minutes
    Caching is only valid if you are building sheets and don't care about what you see.
    So if I am at the end of a job that is so big that it will NEVER be one I do.
    And does not have changes then Cache away and you are NOT watching for changes.
    But if there is any chance something will change - DON'T CACHE.

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  • Unknown said:
    Cache is not a solution as it takes the same time to create as a DV and then is obsolete in 5 minutes
    Caching is only valid if you are building sheets and don't care about what you see.
    So if I am at the end of a job that is so big that it will NEVER be one I do.
    And does not have changes then Cache away and you are NOT watching for changes.
    But if there is any chance something will change - DON'T CACHE.

    Pasting part of Marc's reply above:  "Future development for the CONNECT version of ABD will include the incremental caching feature currently available in MicroStation CONNECT Edition and further performance improvements."

    If you're curious, check out the three non-Manual modes new to MicroStation CONNECT, which ABD CONNECT will inherit.



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  • Unknown said:
    Cache is not a solution as it takes the same time to create as a DV and then is obsolete in 5 minutes
    Caching is only valid if you are building sheets and don't care about what you see.
    So if I am at the end of a job that is so big that it will NEVER be one I do.
    And does not have changes then Cache away and you are NOT watching for changes.
    But if there is any chance something will change - DON'T CACHE.

    Pasting part of Marc's reply above:  "Future development for the CONNECT version of ABD will include the incremental caching feature currently available in MicroStation CONNECT Edition and further performance improvements."

    If you're curious, check out the three non-Manual modes new to MicroStation CONNECT, which ABD CONNECT will inherit.



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