Hola alguien ha hecho una comparación completa entre aecosim y revit? Pueden compartir el resultado?
Gracias
Jorge Chavez Marquez
México
Hola Jorge,
Muchas organizaciones han estado utilizando el software de información y construcción (BIM Tools) entre ellos están ingenieros, directores de proyectos y consultores de costes en el diseño de infraestructuras. Revit y AECOsim son dos reconocidas herramientas en el mercado de BIM. Aquí hay algunas comparaciones entre ambos productos:
¿Por qué Revit?
¿Por qué AECOsim?
Why Revit?
Why AECOsim?
Some corrections and opinions I think might be valuable for future releases of MSTN & ABD
Unknown said: When Revit has a problem synch'ing to central, it gets very ugly > This mainly happens when there is a corruption in the file, like a corrupted family. AECOsim has same problem when there is an corrupted element in the model No need to convert to Navi$ like Revit > Don't understand this as Navisworks can read RVT files, conversion is not required. Although the latest Revit is starting to provide Navis linking > Latest Revit is not providing Navis links, installing Navisworks Simulate or Manage will add the Navis option into any Revit version when detected during installation Revit also suffers from limited design extents and can't deal with elements smaller than 1/32in.> You do not built at that scale Revit import linking of tradition CAD formats like DWG is pretty bad and slow compared to Aecosim. > Revit is not CAD Mstn has also pretty good at providing scalable access to formats like point clouds, raster files and reality meshes.> Point clouds are supported in Revit Although Revit boasts of multi-discipline tools, I don't think that you can use all of them in one session like Aecosim > Yes you can use all of them in one session. All tools are available, see screen capture below Aecosim much better for larger projects due to ability to break down model with Ref files. > What is large? We have done airports, hospitals and master plans in Revit Aecosim should also be the better platform for landscape design. Better support for terrain modeling, reality meshes.> Disagree, site shows triangulations when using terrain/mesh and you can't get rid of that. Site Designer in Revit creates smooth sites (using surfaces) and can import both XML and LandXML Aecosim is also the better platform for large projects during the construction stages; where large amounts of 2d and 3d dwgs, ifc files from the subcontractors need to be managed, overlaid and coordinated. > Coordination can be done in separate software Aecosim is also the better choice if you want just one platform that can handle any project. > What do you mean by any project?
When Revit has a problem synch'ing to central, it gets very ugly > This mainly happens when there is a corruption in the file, like a corrupted family. AECOsim has same problem when there is an corrupted element in the model.
Not really comparable. You would say that ACAD files also get corrupted once in awhile. Recovering is a big pain.
Sure, but that is like saying 'it has four wheels, its a Bentley' :-) Apparently, lots of landscape architects find Revit for landscaping shockingly troublesome. “It will make you pull your hair out.”
I think that is the Autodesk kool aid Stockholm syndrome speaking. One problem I see with this way of working is that it creates an over reliance on clash detection meetings to resolve problems. There should be ore clash avoidance instead of retroactive clash detection. As mentioned above the old traditional CAD apps are much better at Xref'ing files and have much better situational awareness because of this.
Any project. Roads, railways, bridges, sewers, mapping, surveying, dams, factories, electrical towers, substations, airports, railway stations etc etc
Well, I can see that you are a die hard Bentley user and I respect that. For me AECOsim is not the answer because I would like to see a complete overhaul of the software before working with it ever again.
With respect, from you answers I don't think you know either very well.
Do a search for my posts on this website, you will see that I am not blind about a lot of things Aecosim and Mstn fail miserably at... and the slow overall pace of development
As mentioned, we use both in the office. There is a lot to like about Revit. But I don't think that it is the answer to everything... especially with large projects. Even Autodesk acknowledges its scalbaility and interoperability problems and are looking at things like Project Quantum in an effort to overcome these limitations.
Well, I know about your posts, I have read almost all of them. Sometimes when reading your post I really ask myself the question, why are you comparing Revit with ABD? If you know many products so why are you not comparing ABD with AutoCAD Architecture and/or Vectorworks? Revit is not CAD so I will not compare it with any CAD software in the market. Regarding Bentley products, believe me, I do know what Bentley products can do and can't do.
Every company has its own way of solving model/project problems and/or issues, this simply has to do with every project being unique. Some projects can be massive (scale wise) and some not.
There are companies which like to have the whole design in one model and some not. Now whether MS/ABD can handle big projects or not, it still requires time to load and update the model when changes are made to it. We split our models, this helps with reducing loading time and users/designers can pay attention to particular detail(s) in the model. I mean, loading time of a massive site (i.e. 7,50km x 4,80km) takes up time, whether using MS, ABD or Revit. Splitting the model reduces the loading time and it also makes it is easier handing over your model if required.
So it is not about bashing a software it is about your workflow regarding how you would tackle any project issues/problems and which tools are you going to use to solve that. There is nothing 100% perfect, whether it is a software or your car. You use it because it helps you with your daily stuff and/or work. Every software has its pros and cons, so every software is powerful in its on way.