Unwanted Levels in Seed Files

When I used to want to get rid of no-seeums in Microstation I would create a fence around the drawing and then do a Void-Fence delete. You could turn off the levels you want to protect and make a small fence to get all of the elements removed from the levels you want them removed from. Hope that helps.

Thanks Dean,

I have tried that as well as Select By Attributes. Neither method finds any elements.

It seems that Architecture creates these levels automatically no matter what original seed file is opened.

If I open the same seed file in just MicroStation these levels do not appear.

I get the same results. I can compress the levels and get rid of the 'used' ones if under Compress->Options I enable the setting: Delete Unused Levels. Can you verify you have this setting enabled? It doesn't really matter. After I compress the levels, save settings, save the DGN then reopen it, the same levels are 'used'. This seems to be a bug. Can someone from Bentley respond?

Thanks,

Dan 

Hi Rodney

After some investigation I have found that all these levels are related to the parts defined in the dataset explorer. So, f.i., if the part "concrete" is assigned to a level "A-WALL-FULL" than this level become an used level and can't be deleted. This is related, I think; to the Dinamic View support.

If you want to use the  levels associated with the relevant dgnlib file you shoul reassign all your parts to these levels.

Hth

Leonardo

Leonardo,

Thanks for the info.

I suspected something like that and was busy looking at the settings in the cfg files to determine whether it was possible to reset this. Have not found anything yet.

Regarding the Datasets have you also found an issue with the Datagroup catalog and Datagroup editor exe files?

I posted a thread regarding this a couple days back.

All the best

Rodney

Rodney

No issue with the Datagroup Catalog and Datagroup Definition editors in my machine (Windows XP32 professional sp2). I know nothing about VCRedist.exe, so I can't help you. In the meantime have you fixed this issue?

Ciao

Leonardo

Rodney

No issue with the Datagroup Catalog and Datagroup Definition editors in my machine (Windows XP32 professional sp2). I know nothing about VCRedist.exe, so I can't help you. In the meantime have you fixed this issue?

Ciao

Leonardo

Leonardo,

Not yet. Will keep you posted if I disciver anything further.

All the best

 Rodney

Hi Brian,

Thanks for the referal

Looks like the same issue.

FYI Bentley have logged a service ticket for this issue.

Hopefully will be resolved in the near future.

Best regards

Rodney

All you have alot of garbage levels in the library files.  I went in and clieaned all these up and have gotten ridden of many levels as I had a University Clients who does not want to see anything but approved levels.  USES the AIA Level set up.

Eric

Please note the following explanation re. unwanted levels in any Bentley Architecture file:

The parts and family system can define different levels for forwarded, cut, reflected and centerline graphics. Since the Drawing Extraction Manager created new elements in a separate file, this was not a problem. However, Dynamic Views do not create new elements or create separate files, as the same data is just displayed in a different presentation. The problem is that these alternate presentations cannot be created on levels that do not already exist. Therefore, as a workaround, the dataset is scanned for undefined levels, which are then added to the DGN-file. As a result, users may have levels in their DGN-files that they believe they have not used. 

This scan is performed by default to support Dynamic Views. However, if the configuration variable BB_DVDATASETELEMENTS in C:\Program Files\Bentley\MicroStation V8i\Triforma\config\atflocal.cfg is commented out this scan and the creation of undefined levels is disabled. However, this is likely to lead to problems in Dynamic Views!

If the Section, F&R view, and Center line levels are identical to the model levels there is no need to scan the part files and to add undefined levels.

Note: When editing a dgnlib file in Bentley Architecture, make sure that BB_DVDATASETELEMENTS is not defined, i.e. it should be commented out in the configuration file C:\Program Files\Bentley\MicroStation V8i\Triforma\config\atflocal.cfg.

To delete the unwanted elements that carry the level information, use File > Compress > Options > Delete Building Dataset Elements.

Hope this helps.

 Regards,

Volker Thein [Bentley]