Curtain wall profiles incorrect (CE4 UK Dataset)

The delivered MullionProfiles.cel with the Dataset_UK do not work correctly, meaning curtain walls do not display the frames properly, if at all. The file has been converted from imperial and design file resolution is in feet. 

I have created a new file and corrected to metric. Attached for anybody that is interested. 

4380.MullionProfiles.cel

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  • Delivered MullionProfile gives me this: glazing but 'no' frame

    If I zoom in, the frame is 100x too small 

    If I hover over the frame, an oversized 'ghost' frame shows. 

    On opening the MullionProfiles.cel file I found it to be a conversion from imperial with resolution per foot and working area in miles. So I created a new metric file and copied the profiles and variables through into new models which now seems to work.

  • Finding some additional bugs with the curtain wall tool now Steve. These may or may not be related to the dodgy profiles cel library? 

    1. Changing placement from left to right has no effect

    2. Once placed, it is extremely difficult to select nodes/frames etc

    3. Unable to snap to frame with any tool other than modify space/slab

    4. Unable to modify length after placement

    5. Unable to change frame dimensions through placement

    6. Unable to place different sections as continual run (ie I cannot turn the corner and create a corner post)

    7. Place from element only works with single lines

    8. No perforations if placed in a wall 

    9. Punched window option does not include perforators so have to cut wall seperately!! 

  • Hi Duncan,

    Here are the values I see for the three delivered Curtain Wall catalog items in the UK dataset:

    Regarding the mullion.cel library, yes, I also see the Resolution in imperial units, with the Units Format in millimeters.  I'll forward that to QA.

    But either way, with all of the delivered content I still don't see anything that looks like your results; i.e., 100X smaller.   What is the resolution of your DGN files?



  • OK, here is a first shot at your list:

    1. Changing placement from left to right has no effect

    - The left/right value only has an obvious effect if there’s a non-zero Side Offset value.


    2. Once placed, it is extremely difficult to select nodes/frames etc

    - I find it easiest to select near the center of a panel and at the long edges of mullions. Also, don't zoom in too much as it may be easier to select if it’s zoomed out a bit.  


    3. Unable to snap to frame with any tool other than modify space/slab

    - Working OK here: I’m able to stretch and/or move walls, roofs, profiles, etc., to a Curtain Wall by snapping to any part of the "skeleton" or boundary.  
     

    4. Unable to modify length after placement

    - Grab the lower edge’s grip/handle at the end to display the pop-up menu and choose Move.   Remember that the menu applies to the handle itself; i.e., moving the handle/end point in this case and not the entire line/curtain wall.

     

    5. Unable to change frame dimensions through placement

    - As I understand it the dimensional properties are taken directly from the cell variations, so those DataGroup properties are meant more as a reference.  

     

    6. Unable to place different sections as continual run (ie I cannot turn the corner and create a corner post)

    - This is more difficult than it may seem, so did not meet the schedule for Update 4. Our tentative plan at this point is to introduce this functionality in Update 6.

     

    7. Place from element only works with single lines

    - Same as the above.

     

    8. No perforations if placed in a wall

    - This seems to work OK here: If I place a curtain wall within a normal wall in the same fashion as a door or window, it perforates the wall in the same way (generates a Feature Opening).   There is a defect where if the Curtain Wall height is modified after the fact the opening does not automatically adjust, but that is planned for Update 5.

     

    9. Punched window option does not include perforators so have to cut wall seperately!!

    - The Curtain Wall Types drop-down list is strictly data so does not affect the geometry in any way.

    HTH