Bentley:
We're using a single separate shape suspended above all the suspended clg grids throughout the bldg to hide the stuff in the plenums at the RCP extractions but this workaround introduces a time consuming problem at the clash detections task as this shape accounts for an enormous number of bogus clashes to filter through; clashes that should not even need be there. I came across the thread below from 2 yrs ago while searching for the proper fix for the transparent suspended clgs. Is there by now a fix for this no opacity to the clg grids problem but that we simply have not discovered?
Brian Yeo
PS: We're using BA XM build 08.09.04.46
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Alvaro,
Yes, your observations are right. They do describe limitations in the current implementation of the ceiling tools.
Ceilings are essentially patterning attributes and they are not yet represented as a full 3D element. There is no automatic dependency between the DataGroup Space Height and the ceiling. New designs are being considered that should address these issues in later releases of the tools.
Steve
"Alvaro Cabal" wrote in message news:461aecfd$1@news.prod-bent.dmz... > > I must be missing something here. I placed some Ceilings with the > ceiling tools. Two observations: > > 1) Apparently the Ceiling placed is only lines. Therefore, whatever is > past the ceiling, in my case there is a Metal Deck above the acoustic > tile ceiling, is visible. So on the extractions I have a mess on lines as > > reflected ceiling plan.... Does this mean I have to draw another shape > to "cover" the deck above? This does not make sense, why would we have a > > ceiling tool when we have to re-draw shapes to generate the reflected > view properly?...Please advice > > 2) If I change the "Space Ceiling Height" why does the ceiling not > move "up" or "down" when I change the Space Celing Height value?..It > seems like the "Replace" tool in the Ceiling tools is almost as much work > > as placing the ceiling again (or more)....(I have to re-create the > celing, re-pick the points, and then erase the other ceiling? seems > archaic)...does not make much sense either... > > So, am I not using the Ceiling Tool right, or is that what we have as a > ceiling tool? > > TIA, > > AC > > > > ==== Sent via discussion.bentley.com.
I'm frustrated too. How do you suggest we integrete the ceiling model into working drawings. When I use the ceiling tool I encounter problems just extracting the reflected view. Lights are getting overdrawn with the grid. Am I missing something here? Is the Ceiling tool not intended to be used in a 3d setting? Soffits pose another problem. How can you place a ceiling grid in a soffit using the grid tool. You need a separate space for the soffit. Doesn't make sense to me. What I am begining to realize is that Bentley Architecture is kind of a afterthought relative to all the other parts of the Bentley Suite. I can't seem to make working drawings with out drawing things twice. I model the ceiling once then redraw the RCP in 2d on a sheet. End of rant.
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I suggest the tool be modified.
It should create it's boundry at the height you select.
Then it should use assemblies to create ceiling. Spaces should be something different.
PLUS we need more than one way to create the ceiling. By fill is not enough when you ahve an odd shape
Ustn since 1988SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64bEric D. MilbergerArchitect + Master Planner + BIMSenior Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight CenterThe Milberger Architectural Group, llc
Hello,
The Ceiling Plan tools were written to help in the production of Ceiling Plan drawings, not for 3D modeling. The ceiling elements are essentially either 2D lines of hatching or cross hatching and 2D pattern cells.
Even though the current implementation is meant for producing drawings only, there are Family/Part definitions provided that will let you create a 3D ceiling grid from the 2D grid. Once you place the 2D grid you can then use the Extrude Linear Element to Form command to generate a 3D ceiling grid.
Hope this helps,
Steve Stevens Product Manager - Bentley Architecture
Steve Stevens: Hello, The Ceiling Plan tools were written to help in the production of Ceiling Plan drawings, not for 3D modeling. The ceiling elements are essentially either 2D lines of hatching or cross hatching and 2D pattern cells. Even though the current implementation is meant for producing drawings only, there are Family/Part definitions provided that will let you create a 3D ceiling grid from the 2D grid. Once you place the 2D grid you can then use the Extrude Linear Element to Form command to generate a 3D ceiling grid. Hope this helps, Steve Stevens Product Manager - Bentley Architecture
I have struggled with this for a while. Presently, I just place ceiling forms for the ceilings and avoid the grid. I am a contractor so extractions don't mean anything to me but geometry for interference detection does. So would the steps be...
1. Place grid, extrude to form, create ceiling form, boolean for tiles (Ceiling Tile Forms Lost)
2. Place grid, extrude to form, fill each gap with ceiling form
3. Place grid, extrude to form, array single form for the full sized tiles and clean up the edges with option 1 or 2?
None of these seem like great options, is there another way?
Thanks,
Jordan
Hey Steve - I hope all is well.
Since we need the 3d of a ceiling anyway (Sections and Stuff) - should it not just go ahead and produce the grid?????
Great for 3D modelling? Now after I try your approach I want to change the setout point for the grid. Do you have to basically delete and redo? hnmm...
I would hope a dynamic ceiling is in the works.