Is there a way that you can make a composite wall look like a basic wall when you create the extraction? There have been some projects that I have worked on that Compsoite wall would be the best wall to use. Although we don't use them due to the fact that all the parts in the wall show up when we make the extraction. is there anyway we can use the composite wall but when we make the extraction the composit wall looks like it was a single wall?
we currently are using: Bentley Architectural V8 XM Version 08.09.03.37
ok. I'll try to unify the parts to see if that works. Would there be anyway to mask the walls to show how I'm wanting it to look like?
Define masking.
If you are asking can you make a wall look different in a different type of extraction, you should look at Part Mapping files when doing an extracton.
Basically, you could create a different part to a wall in Plan vs. Section or Elevation, and tell the Extraction to use a Part Mapping XML file to swap out Part "A" for Part "B".
And as Steve said, hopefully this will be enhanced in DV.
Thanks,
Shawn
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ah, now that's different.
One thing we (the community) has always asked for or talked about is Wall Assembly philosophy.
Some say that you should model each piece of a Wall System, thus you can then get accurate Quantities of each part of the wall (brick, cmu, wainscot, drywall, etc.).
I know of some that will model the wall system as a single wall, and then use CenterLine replacement to represent the Wall System in Plan/Section. Also, much easier to manipulate a single wall vs. multiple, but youmay not get exact quantities as you'd have to count the Wall System as one entity, and get your quantities from that.
As you say, if you go Scenerio #1, sometimes it's hard to remove the inner wall unless you have a very good Part library and unify properly.
OK, I'll stop now, too.
This definitely sounds like something that could be useful for future drawing rule implementation - resymbolize a wall assembly with either a single line or double line representation.
Stop, part II.
Well, Steve summed it up as to what I want to achieve. I would like to draw a composite wall but when I extract it it shows as a basic wall with only the shell of the wall showing. Now I have not looked into Part Mapping yet. Guess I need to do that next. I'll try unifying again. I don't think I have that good of a grasp on unify yet. So in drawing rule's this might be able to be achieved.
So to sum it up; as of right now Architectural does not really have the capability to achieve what I want to do. Then again, it might be able to achieve it using drawing rules. This might be able to work by creating a different part and having Part Mapping XML replace the (as Shawn put it) Part "A" for Part "B". Trying to achieve it that way would, I have to create a new part for each part used in the Drawing? For example; Part "A" is 4 7/8" thick. Part "B" would have to be 4 7/8". If Part "C" is 6" thick I would have to create Part "D" to be 6" thick so it could replace Part "C".
I hope that makes since.....
Whilst this isn't quite what you are asking can I throw something into this thread.
The new v8i ability to replace one compound wall with another does allow you to do this at the early stages of a project - to have a simple build-up and then replace it later, as you start to have a better understanding of exactly what the components of the wall are. When we are leading up to planning on projects with BA we use simplified wall constructions and then swap with more complex build-ups later.
My guess is that you are more interested in displaying walls with different levels of detail at different scales at the same time in a project. This is a function we also need in the product, sooner the better too!
Rob
Now I'm relying on a brief demo of speedikon about 12 years ago, but changing the displayed output depending on output scale was possible for doors & windows as well as walls, so perhaps that's where to look for a solution?
Patrick Wilson.
As an option has anyone tried creating an extra part that encompasses the whole compound wall construction, then in extractions turn off the component parts of the wall? We developed these as a method so that Planning and Warrant/production drawings could be extracted without having to amend the model...
see attached jpg. view 1 shows full compound wall as placed including overall general 'wall' part(in grey). view 2 shows the same wall but with 'internal' components switched off. The extraction set-up is shown in the middle - selecting 'set levels from view2' in the cut plane dialogue and view 8 shows the finished extraction.Alternatively you could just turn off the levels you dont require in the extraction itself..
currently this only works with extraction manager as far as i am aware as I have been unable to find a way to select different views with the new building views...
This works however, being able to do this automatically from extraction or compound wall settings would be ideal, and like has been said if you were able to control this per display scale would be a dream. For example, for production drawings 1:50 and upwards we show full construction, anything smaller scale(1:100 or below) just starts to look messy...
So I'm lost now. What's a SelectBy Criteria?
Duncan, let me see if I understand this correctly. Basically, a simple way would be to create a overall compound wall which has internal components. When extracting, have the cut plan view turn off the internal components leaving the overall wall (the Shell). This only works in XM. Now in my company we set the title block to a scale that allows the whole building to fit on it. Then we keep the model at that scale and if we need to enlarge any details we just change the scale of the title block not the scale of the model. So we just go ahead and set the model to 1/8" scale and work from there. When we reference the extraction we get leave it at 1:1 scale.
Ok I tried out what Ducan wrote. An that works great. Although when we switch to V8i it sounds like it wont work that way. Now instead of using the "Cut Plan Dialog box for turning on and off levels by going to "Participants" and turning them off in the "Reference Group Model." Anyways, this I think this will work. The question now is how can we get this to work for the V8i when we convert over to it?
This still works in V8i, only through DEM though and not through the new buildiing views. I had asked previously on another thread if Bentley had any plans to update the v8i's building views to allow the same kind of action ie, forward/cut and reverse plans calculating from different views(with different level sets on/off). The answers were a bit unconclusive. So Bentley, please include this, if so BV's will be wonderful and I will never have to extract another plan again....
Anyway it still can be achieved through BV's though you have to switch the levels off in the dynamic view. It is a bit more difficult though as you cannot seperate the level display for cut/forward and reverse views. Hope tht makes sense.
In terms of your plans that is exactly how it would work. Though i would set up saved views so you can easily switch between scales without too much selecting/de-selecting of levels...