V8i - BV - Default Model

Is there a way to make sure the Model "Default" can be removed or rather not even created when generating a Builbing View Drawings????

The problem is that when I use Project Explorer I have double the fiels as it also displays the Default model which is a blank file.

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  • Or just place the BV in the default model and not the default model.  I can do this manually.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • Did you ever find a solution to this?

    When creating a new file from seed I can select either my sheet/drawing or model seed where the default model is either a sheet, a drawing or a model(2d or 3D). When creating building views, I use the same seed file(s) however it still creates a default model file within the new dgn. Why? 

  • I was told this was "As Designed" and that BA was trying to cahnge this but with no luck from the developers.

    If they used the files for drawing creation they would see that this default is an issue and as of today it messes with Autocad Translations as having more than one model is not compatible iwth Acad as it only has one model.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • I'm not sure if this is relevant, but, when saving to DWG you can select only one model for the operation - no need to save all models.



  • I struggle to see why this would be as designed. Makes no sense. Now, prior to 'Drawing' models being introduced I would have been quite happy with that as used to set up extractions as a default model and the sheet would be contained in the same dgn. However now that the 'Drawing' model exists there should be an option for which kind of model to use as default. As I said before if you can make a new file from seed which only contains a sheet or drawing model this is just confusing. Particularily with project explorer just listing (possibly)hundreds of unused default models. I don't want to have to go down the road of manually creating files and attaching views as references

     Steve, this is fine if you only have 1 file to save as dwg, however this isn't possible in a batch export, which is what happens most of the time, ie I create my drawings/extractions, place on sheets and export a job set of multiple files.  

  • I translate ALL my sections and PLANS every night.
    I also need tpo create PDF's EVERY night for the owner.

    It takes 2 21/2- 3 hours to make the translations (And there are still batch issues there when adding a file to the lsit)

    It takes 1 1/2 hour to make the PDF files

    I don't have time to select individual model ALSO if that file is a reference to an original I cannot make that control.

    The solution for me is to save all to V8 - (IT WORKS IF I MERGE ALL) Then translate the V* to DWG and V7

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • DGammie:

     Steve, this is fine if you only have 1 file to save as dwg, however this isn't possible in a batch export, which is what happens most of the time, ie I create my drawings/extractions, place on sheets and export a job set of multiple files.  

     

    Unfortunately I'm just not that up to speed with batch processing and the available settings/options.   If there's no way to batch Save to DWG using only specific models, then yes, I can see where this would certainly be a limitation using BVs. 

    One question...  If the Drawing Model did not exist, would that change anything?   When creating a new DV model/file by right-clicking on the original Clip, you have the option of creating both the Drawing and Sheet Models (the default), or only one onf them.   So if you unchecked the Drawing Model and created only the Sheet, would that make any difference?  



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  • DGammie:

     Steve, this is fine if you only have 1 file to save as dwg, however this isn't possible in a batch export, which is what happens most of the time, ie I create my drawings/extractions, place on sheets and export a job set of multiple files.  

     

    Unfortunately I'm just not that up to speed with batch processing and the available settings/options.   If there's no way to batch Save to DWG using only specific models, then yes, I can see where this would certainly be a limitation using BVs. 

    One question...  If the Drawing Model did not exist, would that change anything?   When creating a new DV model/file by right-clicking on the original Clip, you have the option of creating both the Drawing and Sheet Models (the default), or only one onf them.   So if you unchecked the Drawing Model and created only the Sheet, would that make any difference?  



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  • You just have to know the process and ther is no step by step on how to do this wilout alot of trial and error.

    I create a DV with two Models Teh Default and Annotation - I rename them so that I can see what I've got whithout opening them.

    If I save to V8 first then I get a DWG with two internam models....perfect - I just don't know yet how the engineers will be able to open them properly.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • I should further add.  I can open files due to model where the autocad cannot due to paperspace in lieu of models.

    I wish I could just this more realistically and see the error at my end rather than when a client is upset with what I send.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • Steve Cocchi:
    DGammie:

    Unfortunately I'm just not that up to speed with batch processing and the available settings/options.   If there's no way to batch Save to DWG using only specific models, then yes, I can see where this would certainly be a limitation using BVs. 

    One question...  If the Drawing Model did not exist, would that change anything?   When creating a new DV model/file by right-clicking on the original Clip, you have the option of creating both the Drawing and Sheet Models (the default), or only one onf them.   So if you unchecked the Drawing Model and created only the Sheet, would that make any difference?  

     

    Steve, 

    The extra step provided by the drawing model is good. If this did not exist I would probably be using a normal 2Dmodel file for the same purpose anyway. The 2D default drawing file is a good way to keep models/drawings and finished sheets seperate/organised(particularily on Project Explorer). All we need is for the auto drawing creation option to not include a default design model as standard. and all will be fine. I have tried just using a normal model for this purpose ie trying to put the BV into the default model, however the create drawing box will not allow you to select anything that is not a drawing model. 

    If you create only the sheet, you still get the extra default model.  

  • DGammie:

     

    ...All we need is for the auto drawing creation option to not include a default design model as standard. and all will be fine.

    ...If you create only the sheet, you still get the extra default model.  

     

    Ding ding ding!   Now I'm getting it...    I just filed CR # 293150 requesting drawing and sheet seed files without a "default" model, specifically for this purpose.