BA Stairs

This is my first serious look at the Stair tool in BA. I am using it in a UK/European environment.I have had a look at us ncs dataset because I expect that is more feature complete but I am now using the 08.11.05.54 UK Uniclass as my base point with the intention of tweaking our customised in house dataset once I have learnt how it fits together

I have a choice to model the stairs in a conventional way - there a 4 stair cases two of which go up 7 storeys with differing storey height and two that are between two floors, which will 

I am working on the basis that to set out and model the stairs would probablytake me 1-2 days and as such I should spend this time working out how the tool works so I can use it within our system - do people think this is realistic?

I am looking to get a better understanding of the configuration and control of the tool. So some questions:

  1. The documentation looks a bit incomplete. There is a lot to take in here and some complex and powerful controls which I am discovering by trial and error which is tough.
  2. I am making a steel stair, which I have been advised that the stringers should be 300x20mm flats. There are no flats in any of the libraries. How do I create a stair of this type?
  3. I am struggling to get continuous sectioned stringers (using 200x100 RHS) at the moment because the mitring geometry around the inside of a U-shaped square looks like it is a little deficient and it appears that the controls to adjust the run-in and run-out at landings aren't there at least at a key-in dimensional level. For any stair with stringers I think this is structurally preferable but from an Architectural perspective it is aesthetically very important. It looks to me that the tool should be able to embody these a characteristics with in it. This would be really useful as its one of those difficult geometry exercises that you need to plot out very time. You could add a resolve mitring toggle - that would give you a minimum landing depth.


More later no doubt.

Robert Klaschka
  • rklaschka:

    Could you explain how the structural shapes template works? Or point me at the relevant bit of the manuals?

    Robert

    When you open up the spreadsheet there should be a Toolbox called "Triforma" that has 2 buttons on it. A save button and a save as steel xml file or some such.

    I think you pretty much just enter the shape sizes you require into the excell spreadsheet then use the macro button to save as an xml file then you can either set it up as one of your steel files or copy/paste the info into your own steel.xml file that you use.

    I have as yet to actually get this file to work for myself. I always find the VBA doesnt want to work for me. Other people say that this file really does work though. There must be some setting I dont have on that wont let me use this file properly. If you know the workings of Excell then you should be able to get it working.

     If the file doesnt work for you you'll just have to decifer the xml file format and enter it in manually (which is pretty much what I do...)

    Cheers
    Damon

  • The problem was I had created a steel tube and when it switched back for the landing and at the ends I have to add a plate to fully enlose the stringer like a tube would normally be.

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    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc

  • Could you explain how the structural shapes template works? Or point me at the relevant bit of the manuals?

    Robert

  • rklaschka:

      2      I am making a steel stair, which I have been advised that the stringers should be 300x20mm flats. There are no flats in any of the libraries. How do I create a stair of this type?

    You will have to add a new steel member into your steel.xml file if you dont have one already. What i suggest you do is create a project related steel file and create it as part of the project data. Or just find a steel file that has a plate in it and copy it into your steel file.

    Have a look at the file StructuralShapesTemplate.xls in the Workspace/triforma/Dataset_usNCS/data      folder. It has all teh details you need to create your own Structural members.

     Damon

  • I don't know of any documentation.  I had to play and try each thing on my last job.  My stair was very similar.  I did though have to add some plates where the stair tool could not.

    Ustn since 1988
    SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64b

    Eric D. Milberger
    Architect + Master Planner + BIM

    Senior  Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight Center

    The Milberger Architectural Group, llc