<stuartw> wrote in message news:112454@communities.bentley.com...BV = ? http://communities.bentley.com/Products/Building/Building_Analysis___Design/f/5917/t/49476.aspx#112454
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<rklaschka> wrote in message news:112603@communities.bentley.com... Phil, I think you aren't being fair with this response its far from clear. So Stuart, a building view, and a dynamic view are both terms which are not clearly defined - in that they are more like workflows than any one tool. This is not made clear by the manuals. To be honest I think the problem we have is that the marketing department want to call saved views something new, which is justified, because you do get lots of new cool functionality in v8i saved views that you didn't before. In practical terms a DV and a BV are actually just saved views. However there are additional steps to that are offered to you in the DV/BV process which allow you to automate the referencing of the saved view into a drawing model and then onwards to a sheet. The difference between a DV and a BV is that the BV in Bentley Architecture has additional settings and features which are exposed through the View Attributes dialog that allow you to control some of the things you could control in DEM, it also exposes controls for auto annotation which is superb. I hope that dispels any myths. To get around the confusion created by Bentley marketing, in our office we just call them saved views and refer to the process afterwards as referencing. This is what it is at the end of the day... Robert Klaschka http://communities.bentley.com/Products/Building/Building_Analysis___Design/f/5917/t/49476.aspx#112603
Phil,
I think you aren't being fair with this response its far from clear.
So Stuart, a building view, and a dynamic view are both terms which are not clearly defined - in that they are more like workflows than any one tool. This is not made clear by the manuals. To be honest I think the problem we have is that the marketing department want to call saved views something new, which is justified, because you do get lots of new cool functionality in v8i saved views that you didn't before.
In practical terms a DV and a BV are actually just saved views. However there are additional steps to that are offered to you in the DV/BV process which allow you to automate the referencing of the saved view into a drawing model and then onwards to a sheet.
The difference between a DV and a BV is that the BV in Bentley Architecture has additional settings and features which are exposed through the View Attributes dialog that allow you to control some of the things you could control in DEM, it also exposes controls for auto annotation which is superb.
I hope that dispels any myths. To get around the confusion created by Bentley marketing, in our office we just call them saved views and refer to the process afterwards as referencing. This is what it is at the end of the day...
Robert Klaschka
JordanH: Let me recommend you read the documents in the thread below. They have been the most help to me so far. http://communities.bentley.com/Products/Building/Building_Analysis___Design/f/5917/t/43944.aspx
Let me recommend you read the documents in the thread below. They have been the most help to me so far.
http://communities.bentley.com/Products/Building/Building_Analysis___Design/f/5917/t/43944.aspx
Thanks for the link. Some excellent information in the two downloads.
Phil Chouinard: stuartw: What's a Building View? Is that an Bentley Architecture term? There is a good amount of information regarding this in the Bentley Architecture help... and online source can be found starting on http://docs.bentley.com/en/Architecture/atfhelp16.html
stuartw: What's a Building View? Is that an Bentley Architecture term?
What's a Building View? Is that an Bentley Architecture term?
There is a good amount of information regarding this in the Bentley Architecture help... and online source can be found starting on http://docs.bentley.com/en/Architecture/atfhelp16.html
Thanks for the link. From the bits that I've read so far it appears that Saved Views form a large part of BV's and DV's. What if we as a company don't use Saved Views? Is that likely to be a problem in the use of BV's and DV's? Are there other ways of using these?
A DV is a saved view and a building View is also a saved view - so you will ahve to use saved views.
But I cannot see anythign negative of a saved view.
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stuartw: Thanks for the link. From the bits that I've read so far it appears that Saved Views form a large part of BV's and DV's. What if we as a company don't use Saved Views? Is that likely to be a problem in the use of BV's and DV's? Are there other ways of using these?
Dynamic Views essentially are Saved Views that happen to be based on Clip Volumes, with Display Styles thrown in for resymbolization. Because of this you cannot have one without the other. Though as Eric mentioned, I'm not sure why a company would have a policy to not use Saved Views? Or is it that you just haven't used them up to this point?
Building Views simply add Part & Family based resymbolization to the picture, along with automated drawing rules for Door and Window IDs, Space Labels, etc. But the underlying technology is still a Dynamic View.
Steve Cocchi: stuartw: Thanks for the link. From the bits that I've read so far it appears that Saved Views form a large part of BV's and DV's. What if we as a company don't use Saved Views? Is that likely to be a problem in the use of BV's and DV's? Are there other ways of using these? Dynamic Views essentially are Saved Views that happen to be based on Clip Volumes, with Display Styles thrown in for resymbolization. Because of this you cannot have one without the other. Though as Eric mentioned, I'm not sure why a company would have a policy to not use Saved Views? Or is it that you just haven't used them up to this point? Building Views simply add Part & Family based resymbolization to the picture, along with automated drawing rules for Door and Window IDs, Space Labels, etc. But the underlying technology is still a Dynamic View.
It's not that we stop people using Saved Views, just that they have never really been part of our workflows. People create drawings in other ways. Yoy could could count on one finger the numebr of users that have used SV's, and that would be me. I have never used them for a complete working project: only really for testing. As I said we create drawings in other ways.
The nice thing about this process is that it's much more interactive and "obvious" than using a traditional saved view IMHO. So even though the core technology may be the same, it's much different in practice.
I would certainly recommend the documentation mentioned below as a source to refer back to as you begin exploring this area.
<stuartw> wrote in message news:113002@communities.bentley.com... Steve Cocchi: stuartw: Thanks for the link. From the bits that I've read so far it appears that Saved Views form a large part of BV's and DV's. What if we as a company don't use Saved Views? Is that likely to be a problem in the use of BV's and DV's? Are there other ways of using these? Dynamic Views essentially are Saved Views that happen to be based on Clip Volumes, with Display Styles thrown in for resymbolization. Because of this you cannot have one without the other. Though as Eric mentioned, I'm not sure why a company would have a policy to not use Saved Views? Or is it that you just haven't used them up to this point? Building Views simply add Part & Family based resymbolization to the picture, along with automated drawing rules for Door and Window IDs, Space Labels, etc. But the underlying technology is still a Dynamic View. It's not that we stop people using Saved Views, just that they have never really been part of our workflows. People create drawings in other ways. Yoy could could count on one finger the numebr of users that have used SV's, and that would be me. I have never used them for a complete working project: only really for testing. As I said we create drawings in other ways. http://communities.bentley.com/Products/Building/Building_Analysis___Design/f/5917/t/49476.aspx#113002