TriForma is locking files...

We have groups that use different Bentley products to build parts of large interdisciplinary projects.  The groups that use TriForma based products such as Bentley Architecture or Bentley Structural have their files locked down to only being able to be manipulated by TriForma or Architecture/Structural.  You can't manipulate any objects within their files with basic Microstation.  You get a message in the Message Center that says: TriForma has intentianally restricted changes to this element.

Is this a setting that we can disable?  Once a building is modeled with Bentley Architecture, and handed off to the project team, we need to be able to move/rotate/reposition/etc... with basic Microstation.  Right now, we're having to go back to the originating group and ask them to make simple modifications for us because they're the ones with the TriForma products.

Thanks...

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  • No, unfortunately this is not possible while leaving the BIM objects intact.   There are dependencies written to each BIM element during placement that prevents plain MicroStation (or any other apps) from modifying them.  You'd have to strip off this data, essentially the BIM intelligence, in order to do so.  The basic intent is to disallow "just anyone" from manipulating the structure or layout of a building, and leaving that work in the hands of the architect/engineer.



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  • No, unfortunately this is not possible while leaving the BIM objects intact.   There are dependencies written to each BIM element during placement that prevents plain MicroStation (or any other apps) from modifying them.  You'd have to strip off this data, essentially the BIM intelligence, in order to do so.  The basic intent is to disallow "just anyone" from manipulating the structure or layout of a building, and leaving that work in the hands of the architect/engineer.



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  • Hello

    I've encountered this problem before as well

    It's understandable in a way that the Triforma objects remain 'intact'. However, there is a need/requirement to be able to easily 'export' or save as' a 'regular dgn ... I guess this would have to be just the geometry (minus the extra information) ..... there are still ... and will be for a good few years, many people who are not in a position ot get to grips with/cope with a full BIM model .... they (project teams) need to be able to 'extract' a portion of the model, or maybe use a 'non BIM' version of the model, to (relatively) quickly manipulate things and try out different design solutions ..... very probably then, once they are satisfied that there are some changes they wish to incorporate in to the 'live' or active BIM model, this may have to be done by someone who has the necessary skills/experience.

    I gather there is some way of 'unlocking' the Triforma elements .... I suppose then you would have to save a copy of the BIM model, unlock that and then give that to the 'non BIM' people. This could then be referenced back in to the BIM model for use as background info.

    Could this not be a bit more automated ..... essentially having a 'standard Microstation' dgn version being auto-saved (regularly or at various intervals)

    Regards

    Danny Cooley

    Freelance AEC CAD/BIM Technician Architecture, MEP & Structural  ..... (& ex Low Carbon Consultant, ..... because they weren't that bothered!)

    OBD Update 10, Windows 10 Pro, HP Z4-G4, 64Gb, Xeon 3.6GHz, Quadro M4000

  • I suppose the question would be 'WHY'. Realistically, this has little to do with BIM and more to do with the way the software edits the elements and places them. They are not standard MicroStation solids so standard MicroStation tools will not work on them as well as the fact that there is other information embedded into the elements that would be lost if edited by other tools, this could be associations between compound cells and TriForma walls or even steel sections placed.

    Depending on which version you guys are using, TriForma (preV8i) is free and can be used to edit these solids (in most cases) and make life much easier. The reality is that have 2 groups working on different approaches just doesn't work.

    JMO.