When inserting doors or windows into composite walls, is there a way to achieve internal and external cladding layers returning neatly around the frame? At present I get the edge of the wall showing all layers... I guess the closing piece could form part of the .paz cell and have a generic closing piece according to the position of the frame within the wall (unless use ''Match wall'' option of course)... Perhaps better if the wall ''reacting'' automatically? Either way way beyond my programming ability... Anyone or am I missing something/expecting too much?
You will have to add the pieces of cladding you want, to the frame. This is the best way to achieve what you want, because if you add them manually after placing the frame, the frame will cut them away!
Using Frame Builder you can add cladding by using the add form command or by adding a second frame.
HTH André
Yes thanks Andre, I understand, I thought of doing similar in PC Studio... Problem is how can the opening recognize and adapt to internal/external cladding, otherwise would have to create openings for each wall type which would be unmanageable....so perhaps end condition of the wall reacting to the placement of an opening would be a better solution... AECOsim programmers out there?
Or can it be argued that that level of detail is not needed in 3D model and can be added later in 2D?
if you use 2 opening elements (RoughOpening) one of them Blind = True, Directional -1 , you get these result.
a simple example Parametric File is attached.
OK thanks for that Karsten. I am looking at the case where you have a frame say about the centre of the wall which has plasterboard on the inside say 13mm and cement render on the outside say 25mm; I want those to return to the frame ...
At the moment the only way to to do this would be to model these elements as a part of the cell, either in the creation of the PAZ or as Andre suggests in frame builder. It would be similar to adding a reveal lining to the window frame. Frame builder can add "Trim" but this is intended as a reveal and Architrave.
Adding these elements to the cell would be far easier than a programming solution.
OK Dennis, understood and accepted as fact - easier than a programming refinement of the wall function, which I think in longer term (hello Bentley programmers) should be perfectly feasible... The cell approach does mean that you have different openings for different cladding situations right?
PCS is very un-usable in this situation.
PFB is better and has the tools to deal with this, as it was designed to deal with this. But Bentley aren't updating/developing the PFB anymore, and PFB is a bit tricky to use as it was design 10-15 yrs ago and still utilizes the old V7 dgn format which was restricterd to 63 levels. Why Bentley didn't upgrade this I will never understand. It was a great tool. Albeit very clunky to use.
This example clearly shows my abhorence for PCS and highlights the need for a REAL solution from Bentley. Something that actually works with the tools/forms that we create in Architecture.
PCS will never be the correct solution and Bentley needs to wake up and get it fixed. AutoCAD Architecture does this 100 times better than BA ever has. Not to mention Revit and ArchiCAD. They all have robust solutions. Bentley AEC is very lacking ATM.
Hopefully now that DV's are almost sorted we can move onto better tools for modelling. Untill then 2d will dominate my working environment.
Right Damon, understand. PCS is also very clunky to use I find, although I have to say i got a lot better at it over time... But very unforgiving as regards parts assignments - model segments etc... I think following a directory structure that defines components and working files among others really makes a difference. Of coz huge limitations in the way of modeling - anything curved of some complexity for instance... Any comparisons you would have concerning end-wall conditions in other softwares welcome, cheers,