I have come to the conclusion that despite there being a phasing attribute in AECOSIM there is no scope to leverage this in the application other than as an output.
In the event that we have modelled an existing building it appears the only way to manage the removed and retained elements is to put them in sperate files. Does anyone else have a better way to do this?
Ironically I have tried using named groups to knock out existing to demolish but the space flood tool sees the walls that are in the existing to demolish named group, see image (the green area is a space flood). Annoying really... I know its been said before, but named groups would be great if they were properly integrated with AECOSIM.
I had understood that space floods were going to be improved to flood only on the plane identified, is there a timescale for this to happen - I thought it was meant to have been doen for AECOSIM.
Unknown said:Ironically I have tried using named groups to knock out existing to demolish
How are you doing this? Sounds interesting...
Simply put within the existing model you have element in an existing to be retained group and an existing to be demolished group. When you attach the file as a reference it is possible to attach a named group within a file. Sounds great until you realise that AECOSIM ignores the namedgroups.
R
"Not sure, but if the demolished elements are on a different level, then this should be possible with DV/BV's as well?"
TV: sure. But with the addition/complication that you have to make the DV/BV wireframe.
regards / Thomas Voghera
Unknown said: Bottom line; there needs to be a way of phasing elements in ABD. For now we have to use at least 3 separate files, one for demolition, one for existing to remain and one for new construction. We typically use separate files for new and existing anyway. Because of the way ABD works you can't simply use different levels. John K.
Bottom line; there needs to be a way of phasing elements in ABD. For now we have to use at least 3 separate files, one for demolition, one for existing to remain and one for new construction. We typically use separate files for new and existing anyway. Because of the way ABD works you can't simply use different levels.
John K.
John
Can you expand on why we can't use levels ?
Rob: when you say Thematic Mapping, do you mean through the Space Plannng tools and using that thematic mapping?
Thanks,
Shawn
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I wasnt thinking of the space planning tool, which Rob Klaschka is right about and I should make more use of, but rather something as part of the saved DV settings - similar to the architectural rules. Sort of a saved set of "select-by attributes" turning elements on or off by DataGroup fields, maybe with some linked remapping of parts an families, like there used to be for forward mapping, except now you might have parts that define firerating mapping, or phasing mapping, etc.
This could even be a tool where alterantive Parts and Families libraries could be specified to drive fine/medium/low detail ie. one library that unifies output for 1:100> scale anonther that unifies at 1:50 and one that unifies self similar parts for 1:10<. Scale is just another Theme, just like forward mapping is.
We (a colloquial we) have been asking/discussing about scale-based graphics for a while...unsure where that is on Jeff's radar.
As a workaround, I was thinking using Space Planner's thematic maps as you can load it up in ABD and using all the DG search tools, including Phasing, to accomplish (or attempt to accomplish) the tasks..I have not tested this, sounds like RobK has?
In a 2d worlds this could be achieved using itemsets. (here you can serach by dg property and temporarily resymbolise items)
You might have to experiment by creating a Saved view from a drawing model when the itesets are active. There are complications from the clip volumes and display styles that might prevent you from trying this in a design model
Brenden Roche
Applications Engineer
Bentley Systems, Manchester UK
Thematic Mapping from Space Planner works, but as RobK says, you have to change your Display Settings to Wireframe (or anything but Smooth or Transparent) as the TFPart Material settings interfere with the resymbolization...but it does work quite nicely on walls et al.
Thematic mapping is nice, but what happens when you need to export the info to dwg or even dgn for those vanilla Mstn users?
At some point, we need to be able to get DV/BV to re-symbolise to different levels ala DEM.....
Mine was not intended as a long-term solution, merely a current workaround until the ability to scale and resymbolize with more specificity is put into the product.