Best way to manage phased information

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Ironically I have tried using named groups to knock out existing to demolish

How are you doing this? Sounds interesting...

Simply put within the existing model you have element in an existing to be retained group and an existing to be demolished group. When you attach the file as a reference it is possible to attach a named group within a file. Sounds great until you realise that AECOSIM ignores the namedgroups.

R

Has there been some progress on this fasing-status field possibility for better control of drawings? Best Practice?

Travis this kind of fits to the other discussion we are having concerning level names..

Do I add more level names - ex. Demo, Exiting, etc.

Or do I Create for Parts Demo-Beam, Existing Bean new Beam

Or do I change the DG for each as needed.

It would seem this should be a policy decision: All options done work one solution that you can ignore does.

I would think the DG version is the correct way to go as it give DEMO, EXISTNG, NEW to all as needed without having to create 3 or 4 versions of virtually the same thing.

If I could tag all elemets as DEMO in Phasing and then in the extraction a Rule for Demo as to what symbology I would change.  (Level, style, wt, color) then it would be golden. 

I don't know that I need a toggle to ignore as I have reference files for that.

I can do most of this with reference files - the problem ahs been where parts unify or not across reference files.

ABD / Mstn is going past CAD modeling and becoming an 'Information' modeling tool.... in many ways.

Mstn:

1. Level attribute: as a key to symbology i.e. transparency, priority, rendering materials etc. One to one mapping, with some flexibility using overrides and dgnlibs. > Demo_level

2. Element Templates: attribute attached to individual element as key to levels + symbology. Nesting > Demo_Element_Template

3. Tags: attribute attached to individual elements. Sets allow some heirarchal organisation. No immediate link to display system.

4. DB Links: attribute attached to individual elements. No immediate link to display system without vertical.

5. Named Groups: attribute attached to individual elements. Some display control; using Item Sets.

6. Items: Mstn EC schema... i-model transformer-type tool inside Mstn in future?

7. Rendering materials: oppportunity to assign/attach material as a proxy for other information.? Could deal nicely with exceptions or variations by using attachments.

8, Named Expressions?

ABD:

1. Family and Parts: attribute attached to individual element as key to levels + symbology... plus unifier parts, compound cell 2d resymbolisation, centrelines, cut resymbolisation, fill etc.

a. Definition b. symbology c. annotation d. structural data e. quantity reporting f. prices g. specification text h. analytical i. rendering .... Will compound walls be defined in the DGS some day?

2. DataGroup System: attribute attached to individual element as key to application and user defined attributes.

3. IFC/Cobie which uses both DGS + F+P... Could be used to produce i-model with the desired keys for filtering? Export with the Phasing attribute mapped to a level and cut your sections/drawings from the i-model?

4. ...?

Hi Eric, i don't know if this address your work flow issues  but here's what i did.

I drew a column with a family and part coloured white.

I set its status to  existing to be demolished.

i created an itemset looking for that status value. and changed the colour to red.

i activated the itemset

i then printed to pdf where symbology was set to as displayed and not as created.

this seemed to work for me

rgds

Brenden

I am intrigued but after spending the last hour and finding that the HELP file is incomplete and wrong.

I cannot figure this tool out.

The tool cannot be called from the group menu (not there) and cannot be called from utilities (not there)

The dialog looks totally different from the one in the Help file.

I had assumed it would either be like creating a displayset or a selection set.

Just can't get it to work easily.  And I tried to get my staff here but our of the other three, these do not recognize , displayset nor itemset nor half of what we discuss on the Board.

this tool though looks promising, is too hidden and too hidden...

I am intrigued but after spending the last hour and finding that the HELP file is incomplete and wrong.

I cannot figure this tool out.

The tool cannot be called from the group menu (not there) and cannot be called from utilities (not there)

The dialog looks totally different from the one in the Help file.

I had assumed it would either be like creating a displayset or a selection set.

Just can't get it to work easily.  And I tried to get my staff here but our of the other three, these do not recognize , displayset nor itemset nor half of what we discuss on the Board.

this tool though looks promising, is too hidden and too hidden...

Now - I can't give this up - it is killing me not to figure  it out.  Puzzle.

I've attached a copy of the help file.  First it tells you three ways to get the dialog shown in the help file.

Has symbology and all this wonderful stuff.

Attached you see what I get - but not through the group dialog or Utilities as mentioned in help but through the primary tool bar.

From there I see similarities but NOTHING like in the HELP.  Dialog buttons are not there and it is a totally different dialog box.

If I use the keyin from the help file it yields nothing except unrecognized.

There has to be an easier way.

And I would hope it would be something that grows without any input.  "Any item in file with Phase Classification Demo"  equals red wt-0 and dashed.....  I could set these sets up in a dgnlib file and be done with it.

The image is a little small but it looks like you've selected Items. You need Item Sets.

Item Sets you create will automatically create Named Groups, and those Named Groups can be referenced elsewhere and their Display Style altered via Presentation the Reference File Dialog box.

Stuart thanks as this is something I will use in the future.

Apparently my version of ABD does not have that feature.

I can open a copy of MS and it is there just as you have shown.

My home version is a little newer.  I'll see if it has this feature.

aha, now that is interesting! thanks for sharing. (wished that Bentley came up with this kind of tutorials...)

Stuart - I am playing with this and can find I only can adjust the Color.  It need for Demo dashed also.

Demo - Dashed Red wt 0

Existing - Blue wt=1 stule as drawn

New as drawn