We are using the Swedish data set for Structural Building Designer. The data set uses an XML file for Swedish steel profiles (other files exists for some other European countries). At least in our case there is no need to have the steel profiles in the Swedish XML file since we are pretty much only using standard European profiles (EN 19-57, EN 53-62, EN 10210 etc...). Today there is no european XML at all (or is there?). Also, the existing swedish file is legacy from Structural Modeler and would need some changes to better follow the standardised terminology.
To me, the correct way of designing the (European) data sets must be to have an European XML and append any national shapes in a national file.
This is something that’s been bothering me for a long time but became more apparent when is was trying to use ISM to exchange data between Building Designer and ProSteel. I am no expert at ISM but as far as I believe section names have to be mapped to be correct in the ISM translation. As it seems now it’s not possible to use ISM for European steel, correct?
Can any one comment on this?
I'm not familiar with regional codes nor ProSteel, but it may be worthwhile checking the EuropeanSections.mdb instead, by default located at C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Bentley Shared\IEG\OpenSTAADBentley\Sections.
I'm not talking about the sections in ProSteel, it's Building Designer. The file you are reffering to, when is it used? I guess it's for STAAD. Or is this used for ISM as well?
Steel sections in Building Designer are defined in the data folder in the dataset.
I've checked for myself, and the names are a mess, regardless of where you are in Europe.
So far I have found both HEA100 and HE100A to be valid names, not speaking about rectangular profiles, which can be named RHS, HUP, KF-HUP and by at least 2-3 more different kind of names.
There is simply no standard which everyone accepts. Not Bentleys fault...
Well, I'm not trying to blame anyone here. I know that the history of regional names of standard shapes is the reason for this. But today all steel in Europe has to be CE certified and you are not that free anymore to call things whatever you want. What I want is this to be organized more properly in BD just as it is in ProSteel, Staad and the SPC server.
The HEA 100 and HE100A notation is a problem since both are accepted, we are using HEA 100 in Sweden but it's often HE100A in Bentley software. Except from this it's quite simple. I would like to have a European.xml with this content. Pretty much covers all sections we use at least.
I-beam: IPE - Euronorm 19-57
I-beam: IPN - DIN 1025-1
Flange beams: HE - Euronorm 53-62
Channels: UPN - DIN 1026-1
Equal angles: L - EN 10056
Unequal angels: L - EN 10056
Hot Formed Rectangular Hollow Section: HFRHS - EN 10210
Hot Formed Square Hollow Section: HFSHS – EN 10210
Cold Formed Rectangular Hollow Section: CFRHS - EN 10219
Cold Formed Square Hollow Section: CFSHS – EN 10219
Hot Formed Circular Hollow Section HFCHS - EN 10210
Cold Formed Circular Hollow Section: CFCHS - EN 10219
If I get no response from Bentley here, and create this file my self. How would I do to map these names when exporting from BD to ISM?
The MDB file I referred to can be used in Structural just like XML files - the Section Manager will accept both.