As a long time user and big fan of DEM, I get a little peeved when Bentley Support keep repeating the mantra that DEM is old technology and will be phased out and I quote:
'Drawing Views will replace Drawing Extractions at some point in the future'
'I’m not sure if Development still working on Drawing Extractions or how much time they are dedicating to it'
If I'm going to be forced down a path I don't want to go, can we at least have some time line as to when DEM will be phased out?
Thanks,
I would recommend trying the DVs and you'll notice it's a big improvement to DEM. DEM requires you to recalculate your drawings yourself, so you always have to make sure you don't look at outdated info. Also the possibility to edit elements directly in the DV which automatically updates your 3D model is great to use, compared to DEM (go back to your 3D model to adjust something, recalculate the drawing, return to the calculated drawing,...).
Once you get the concept it's pretty much the same, only more flexible.
Windows 10 pro
OpenBuildings Designer Connect Edition Update 10.10.01.151
Sorry Stefan, but having drawings auto-update is no good to me. Part of the reason I stay with DEM.
Once you make the switch DV is better and no reason to go back as it does all extractions does but better. The only issue can be the bugs we sometimes face and speed as DV takes for processing power, But it is still better.
Ustn since 1988SS4 - i7-3.45Ghz-16 Gb-250/1Tb/1Tb-Win8.1-64bEric D. MilbergerArchitect + Master Planner + BIMSenior Master Planner NASA - Marshall Space Flight CenterThe Milberger Architectural Group, llc
We'll see Eric :-)
Hi Bear,
DEM can't cope past a certain project size. We find that we have to go with DV's to get any output at all.
Worse if you are using DEM + ProjectWise with caching servers.
Hopefully a lot of these issues will be addressed with the 64bit port... whenever that happens.
Auto-update: you can use CVE's if you do not want to have automatic udpates. Might even work with Design History.
Dominic
I have to opposite feeling > BV fails where DEM works.
And if you say CVE - DEM is easier to manage.
regards / Thomas Voghera
My feeling as well Thomas. Each time I delve into DV it just feels lacking to me.
DV's have their issues, but it is the way forward i think. I can't see Bentley porting or continuing to support / debug 64bit DEM.
It would be good to list the shortcomings so that they can be addressed?
One of my biggest gripes vis a vis DEM is the fact the extracted DV's are not coincident to the 3d model. This means that you can't reference the 2d extraction back into the 3d model without using the backref tool.
Dominic: when you place a SV in a drawing, you can select 'coincident' in a popup normally. Which is kind of coincident, no?
"Sorry Stefan, but having drawings auto-update is no good to me. Part of the reason I stay with DEM."
Sean,
You could define the DV in your 3D model, but keep the reference from automatically updating in your drawing. That way you have to update them yourself (same as when you would re-generate them using DEM).