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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>FYI: buildingSMART alliance January 2013 Challenge - Cobie</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/building/building_analysis___design/f/aecosim-speedikon-forum/86071/fyi-buildingsmart-alliance-january-2013-challenge---cobie</link><description>http://buildingsmartalliance.org/index.php/newsevents/proceedings/buildingsmartchallenge13 
 
 Autodesk: 9 minutes to correct Bentley: 3.6 hours to correct GraphiSoft: 8 hours to correct</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>Re: FYI: buildingSMART alliance January 2013 Challenge - Cobie</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/243053?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:06:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:3c2f2640-d00a-4d3a-a1da-6269316a5c23</guid><dc:creator>Shawn Foster</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;lt;edit by Shawn&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve taken down my post because someone has edited a major portion out of it, and in the edited state, to repeat a phrase Volker used below...is &amp;quot;out of context.&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: FYI: buildingSMART alliance January 2013 Challenge - Cobie</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/242965?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:15:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:d7c6917d-dc60-4b39-bd52-ac5cd1d54e34</guid><dc:creator>Volker Thein [Bentley]</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;Im afraid, this out-of-context information re. the &amp;lsquo;bSa COBie Challenge 2013&amp;rsquo; result is rather misleading and omits a number of important aspects. As this was a &amp;lsquo;challenge&amp;rsquo; rather than&amp;nbsp;a &amp;lsquo;competition&amp;rsquo;, I don&amp;rsquo;t want to go down the road arguing which company won, but I&amp;rsquo;d like to clarify:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;Format Compliance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;Undoubtedly, &amp;lsquo;Format Compliance&amp;rsquo; with the COBie requirements of the output is most important for COBie producers (architects &amp;amp; engineers) and especially COBie consumers (facility owners &amp;amp; operators).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;The organizer (Engineer Reseach Development Center of the US Army Corps of Engineers) concluded:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&amp;lsquo;This company [Bentley] successfully completed the construction COBie challenge by producing the handover COBie file of the Medical Clinic model. No errors were encountered based on the quality control report; therefore no penalty was applied for the data format, delivery of required fields, and proper referencing across the worksheets.&amp;rsquo;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;In fact, AECOsim Building Designer was the only application in the arch/MEP category to score 0 errors based on the quality control report (Autodesk Revit 2013: 1 error) and 0 penalties for the data format, delivery of required fields and proper referencing across the worksheet (Autodesk Revit 2013: 5-minute penalty to correct the error).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;Content Quality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;The &amp;lsquo;minutes/hours to correct&amp;rsquo; mentioned refer to &amp;lsquo;Content Quality&amp;rsquo;, i.e. the reproduction of the sample model (a 260-room hospital) for the challenge.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;By count of Types and Components, Bentley&amp;rsquo;s model was by far the most complete and data-rich, thus posing a greater potential for data mismatches/penalty minutes. It was also created with a beta version of AECOsim Building Designer, thus penalized issues have been or will be fixed in the final release.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;But more importantly, penalty minutes for content quality of the reproduced sample model have little relevance for the compliance with the COBie requirements of the output. Therefore, the conclusion that &amp;lsquo;a user utilizing Bentley software would have to spend 3.6 hours fixing/cleaning the COBie file&amp;rsquo; is rather arbitrary and meaningless as it depends on the type of data, size of the model, skill of the user, etc.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;AECOsim Building Designer Ss4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;Also worth noting is that AECOsim Building Designer Ss4&amp;nbsp;actually produces the FM Handover IFC file, while Revit does not. This&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;allows you to view the file with free IFC viewers, which typically display the COBie data in a far better and denormalized way than the spreadsheet;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;provides FM/O&amp;amp;M application greater options for data harvesting, especially if geometry is required;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;gives users the option/choice to create the COBie spreadsheet with 3rd party/Open Source transformation tools, like ERDC&amp;rsquo;s COBie Toolkit, while Revit users have to rely on the proprietary Revit COBie toolkit.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;In addition, AECOsim Building Designer provides an IFC/COBie Transformation Utility that can even transform 3rd party IFC files into COBie spreadsheets.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;For additional information, please see my &lt;a title="&amp;#39;bSa COBie Challenge 2013&amp;#39; Forum post" href="http://communities.bentley.com/products/building/building_analysis___design/f/5917/p/84492/237681.aspx#237681" target="_blank"&gt;Forum post&lt;/a&gt; dated March 15, 2013.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;I hope this provides a more complete and balanced assessment of how Bentley did in the &amp;lsquo;bSa COBie Challenge 2013&amp;rsquo;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;Regards,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:small;"&gt;Volker&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>