ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Eric Milberger — Tue, 01 Apr 2014 20:56:43 GMT

Now if it is a curve you have to strech out I will conceed to the need for a manual elevation.

But for any flat wall you can position a cut in an interior room in front of a wall or outside the building in front of a wall and get great elevations.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Eric Milberger — Tue, 01 Apr 2014 20:48:49 GMT

I think the thought process of what an elevation or section are need to change a bit as what we use has changed

I see the same of a section looking at the front of the building and clip, hide or hatch over the footing if shown. sometime even make then dashed so you see more that a typical elevation but the same as the was some have drafted for years.
O don't know if we can only show the interior perimeter of the section. I have seen plenty that show the wall section also. It can become a section elevation at the same time doing more in a construction document. Interior pattern of walls can do just as well as the thick lines.
I don't know if you need to do that but rather change the thought process.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Thomas Voghera — Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:48:29 GMT

No Marc, elevations and sections are different animals.

Test the tool in a non-rectangular room.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Marc Thomas — Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:32:26 GMT

Hi Thomas,

An Elevation is a particular type of Section.

In the case of exterior elevations the only thing that is seen in section is (usually) the ground plane and adjoining buildings.
For interior elevations the big fat line wraps around to become a shape, as illustrated above by Travis.
On the drawing board we just drew a big fat line along the ground plane/walls/floor/ceiling and were not interested in anything below/outside that line.
In software we have more options, things that we would not make the effort to draw may be easily available so need to be excluded.

In our software creating an Elevation Callout picks the appropriate detailing symbol, sets the saved View type, allows Elevations to be grouped in Project Explorer etc. so it is an Elevation tool.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Thomas Voghera — Sun, 30 Mar 2014 20:01:09 GMT

Travis - yes those are better.

But have a try from one point in a non-rectangular room.

And as stated several times - the tool is cool - but should not be called 'elevation'.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

fostertom — Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:04:38 GMT

Any elevation, external or 'room', same for roof plan, must be a section - otherwise results unpredictable if the system's trying to decide for you, what to exclude. User can and should be the judge and executor of that.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Eric Milberger — Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:31:33 GMT

I would think think the answer is:

It is a section in both cases.

One actually cuts through something and one does not because you cut through space in FRONT of all the objects.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

T_Wollet — Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:57:35 GMT

I could also turn on the back view to show the context of the toilet compartments that are behind the step.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

T_Wollet — Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:47:21 GMT

Thomas,

Do you mean you would want to see it like this?

-Travis

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Thomas Voghera — Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:30:59 GMT

I think I know the tricks - but no tricks can help if you if the room is wider at one end.

And your example is revealing - you should see the wall behind, not the doors.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

T_Wollet — Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:01:26 GMT

Thomas,

You can always clip the reference to any shape that you want on the sheet to accommodate non-rectangular interior elevations of non-rectangular rooms. See the attached image as an example.

-travis

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Thomas Voghera — Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:53:29 GMT

In my words it is a section then. And should be called sections

It is a cool tool and speed things up.

But if you have any other form of the room than strictly rectangular you are in for surprices.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

T_Wollet — Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:48:30 GMT

Thomas,

It is a Saved View with a Clip Volume applied. With that said, if the clip plane were to cross a Wall, then yes it would section through that wall. So in the truest sense, yes it is a section. However, in reality an interior elevation (as a CAD drawing) is a section of a building that is clipped at the bounding walls. The intent of the interior elevation tool is to give you the same capability and allow you to determine the extents of the elevation by shrinking the clip boundary or clipping the reference. There are companies that i know that include the wall thickness in their interior elevations and may include objects above the ceiling height (at the cut plane) if the ceiling is a different height at the wall (light coves or floating ceilings). Therefore the tool really needs to have section capabilities, but allow the user to crop the extents of the viewing plane to remove the sectioned elements from view if needed.

In terms of Project Explorer's categorization of the Interior Elevation it is NOT a Section and Interior Elevations would be harvested separately from Sections.

I hope this helps explain a little better.

-Travis

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

Thomas Voghera — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:50:42 GMT

I see far enough in front view - that's not the problem.

What I want you to confirm is that it is a SECTION, not a true elevation of something.

RE: ABD ss4 difference between section and elevation in Create Building views

T_Wollet — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:52:51 GMT

Thomas,

Have you tried increasing the Sense Distance of the Forward View to treat elements that are not cut by the Interior Elevation Callout's location, but you still want to be treated as cut? Also, most compound cells do not have Front/Side Symbols so it is typical that forward symbols are turned off.

Travis