Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Jon Summers — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:53:29 GMT

Mathieu:
A label will be built following a rule that can use the properties of a feature. The rule will apply for all the features of a feature class. For example: "[Owner] : [Value]" can be used to display the owner of a parcel and it's value separed by a colon. An annotation is unique to as feature, it's not defined by a general rule. You can annotate a single building and write anything you want on it that is related to this particular occurence.

Thanks for the clarification!

Mathieu:
For example, you could write on a building: "This building will be destructed on May 15th".

That would be an abstract C++ building. A real building would be destroyed. [Programmer's joke!]

Regards, Jon Summers
LA Solutions

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Mathieu Malenfant — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:48:30 GMT

Jon Summers:
Mathieu:
We are working on a labeling & annotation system.

Can you clarify the meaning of your usage of the terms label and annotation. Many of us might think that they refer to the same concept. Here's what Dictionary.com has to say:

Annotation: a critical or explanatory note or body of notes added to a text

Label: a word or phrase indicating that what follows belongs in a particular category or classification

Regards, Jon Summers
LA Solutions

Your definitions are pretty accurate. In fact, a label will be built following a rule that can use the properties of a feature. The rule will apply for all the features of a feature class. For example: "[Owner] : [Value]" can be used to display the owner of a parcel and it's value separed by a colon.

An annotation is unique to as feature, it's not defined by a general rule. You can annotate a single building and write anything you want on it that is related to this particular occurence. For example, you could write on a building: "This building will be desctructed on May 15th".

HTH,

Mathieu

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Jeremy Gould — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:07:03 GMT

When you say "Labeling" and "Annotation" functionalities, does this include XFM features or just RDBMS connections?

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Jon Summers — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:45:28 GMT

Mathieu:
We are working on a labeling & annotation system.

Can you clarify the meaning of your usage of the terms label and annotation. Many of us might think that they refer to the same concept. Here's what Dictionary.com has to say:

Annotation: a critical or explanatory note or body of notes added to a text
Label: a word or phrase indicating that what follows belongs in a particular category or classification

Regards, Jon Summers
LA Solutions

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Jeff Bielefeld — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:17:12 GMT

...to confirm, new "Labeling" and "Annotation" functionalities will be included in the Bentley Map V8i (SELECTseries 1) release planned for Q3 2009 release.

Regards,

Jeff Bielefeld [Bentley]

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Stanislaw Biernat — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:52:13 GMT

How about labelling issue so far ?

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Gijsbert — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:59:40 GMT

In addition to Mathieu's announcement that we will have a 'real' solution in Bentley Map for annotation/labeling at some point in the (near) future, a few remarks

It is not over-complicated to extend/enhance the XFM standard operation library annotation function to work on groups of features.

In a fairly limited amount of time, this would give you a simple annotation framework that would work rather quickly for point features (placement at an offset), polygon features (placement at the centroid).

Things are a bit more complicated for linear features (where to place, offset, parallel etc.) And then there are things to solve like polygons with holes, polygons with odd shapes (causing the centroid to be outside the polygon), multi features (place just one annotation or an annotation on each instance of the feature).

In addintion, there is the question of annotation versus labeling. In our geospatial world, we mainly use the idea of cartographic text and physically add an element to our data stores as an annotation. In the GIS world of many others a label is not a physical element in the data store, it is simply a way to visualize a query.

I am confident that we want to get these things right with our Annotation/Labeling functionality planned for Bentley Map. So if your annotation wishes are sophisticated, you unfortunately do not have a choice but to wait.

If your annotation wishes are fairly simple (but urgent), and you are capable/have time/are not afraid of a little customizing, let us know. We might be able to help you with an intermediate solution.

Cheers,

Gijsbert

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Mathieu Malenfant — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:12:38 GMT

We are working on a labeling & annotation system. Unfortunately, it wasn't ready for the first release of Map V8i, but it's should be part of a Select Update somewhere around the first quarter of 2009. Stay tuned.

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

gyoung — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:56:51 GMT

I am also very interested in finding a way to automatically annotate imported SHP data. If I create a schema containing a feature with corresponding properties to the features in the original SHP file and with an annotation sub feature that contains a valid property based annotation expression, I am only able to annotate the imported elements if I edit each feature manually. I have files that contain thousands of elements that I would like to annotate, preferably not one at a time. How can this be done automatically using embeded XFM properties, not an attached database?

regards

Greg

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

aarrjeeli_001 — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:34:21 GMT

I agree with Ian I have the same problem regarding annotation and the issue of the ability of joining tables and aoto legend generation that are not present in the XM edition.

Could these be address in the V8i ?

thanks.

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

aarrjeeli_001 — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:07:28 GMT

anybody from bentley could answer Ian's post regarding labeling? is this posible?

jun

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

IanTidy — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:07:33 GMT

Hi All,

I am still stuck on this problem. I have an Oracle database and the latest Bentley Map V8i and still I can't find an option to automatically label the features from the Oracle Spatial database. Have I missed something?

I also found that Bentley Map V8i doesn't like the Oracle 10g Client (and you need to install the 11g Client) and also it doesn't like the 64-bit 11g Client. So for Bentley Map V8i you need to have the 32-bit Oracle 11g Client to use the 'Open Oracle Spatial' feature.

How do people work around this problem?

Cheers Ian

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

IanTidy — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:21:46 GMT

I have just set-up an Oracle server, to try another approach. But if you connect to the database using the 'Open Oracle Spatial', to get the geometries, the annotation dialog doesn't recognize this connection even though it is an RDBMS data-set.
Cheers Ian

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Inga Morozoff — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:03:24 GMT

IanTidy:
Is there an option for non-RDBMS data sets and Tags?

Not at this time, however the annotation options will be improved upon for the Athens release. What that might include - I'm not certain of at this time but will forward your questions to someone in the know.

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

IanTidy — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:43:07 GMT

Is ther an option for non-RDBMS data sets and Tags. Using FME, I can build TAG sets, can these be used for Labeling?

Re: Bentley Map Annotation (Labeling)

Inga Morozoff — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:11:58 GMT

If you are using an RDBMS to store attribute information, keyin dialog annotate.

Please note that some of the features in this dialog are not yet working as expected which explains why this dialog is hidden from the UI.