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Dm for monochloramine?

While performing a chlorine constituent analysis I noticed the default molecular diffusivity (Dm) value for the WaterCAD is 1.3e-8, which is correct for free chlorine (HOCL-). Our system, like many others uses chloramines for secondary/distribution disinfection. Does anybody know the Dm for monochloramine? 

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  • Hello Wayne,

    I asked around and received some feedback on this from a few of my colleagues. 

    Determining the diffusivity may be difficult. Historically, one source of values for things like this is the Perry's handbook of Chemistry or CRC Tables.

    Depending on the relative size of diffusivity vs, advection, often the diffusivity is negligible. So, a sensitivity analysis may help; start with chlorine and see how sensitive results are to this parameter.

    One thing to consider is that a regular constituent analysis may not work well for Chloramine. You may want to look into the Multi-species Extension (MSX) functionality, which is included in recent versions of WaterCAD and WaterGEMS. You can read more about MSX in the Help and here:

    What's New with WaterGEMS/WaterCAD V8i SELECTSeries 5

    Here is an article on our Wiki about challenging with mixing Chlorine and Chloramines:

    Mixing Chlorine and Chloramines

    If you need more help, you might try posting on other places such as the EPANET listserv from the University of Guelph:

    LISTSERV.UOGUELPH.CA LISTSERV Server (16.0) LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UOGUELPH.CA

    We'd be interested to hear about successes you have with modeling this using MSX.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

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  • Hello Wayne,

    I asked around and received some feedback on this from a few of my colleagues. 

    Determining the diffusivity may be difficult. Historically, one source of values for things like this is the Perry's handbook of Chemistry or CRC Tables.

    Depending on the relative size of diffusivity vs, advection, often the diffusivity is negligible. So, a sensitivity analysis may help; start with chlorine and see how sensitive results are to this parameter.

    One thing to consider is that a regular constituent analysis may not work well for Chloramine. You may want to look into the Multi-species Extension (MSX) functionality, which is included in recent versions of WaterCAD and WaterGEMS. You can read more about MSX in the Help and here:

    What's New with WaterGEMS/WaterCAD V8i SELECTSeries 5

    Here is an article on our Wiki about challenging with mixing Chlorine and Chloramines:

    Mixing Chlorine and Chloramines

    If you need more help, you might try posting on other places such as the EPANET listserv from the University of Guelph:

    LISTSERV.UOGUELPH.CA LISTSERV Server (16.0) LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UOGUELPH.CA

    We'd be interested to hear about successes you have with modeling this using MSX.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

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