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Sewergems: In the RNE OS.070 of PERU, I request a minimum flow in the starts of 1.5 l / s

In the RNE OS.070 of PERU, I request a minimum flow in the starts of 1.5 l / s, meaning that the initial flow of the pipes will be at a flow rate of at least 1.5 l / s, however when I reach the first Buzon (BZ) I have the need to have two outputs and I am forced to use the "IS DIVERSION LINK", and I could indicate a flow rate of 0.75 l / s to pass through each half, however this flow would not comply with what is requested in the RNE OS.070 of PERU, in view of the fact that they require me to comply with at least 1.5 l / s. what they recommend me to do.
I appreciated your response, thank you.

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  • As Yashodhan mentioned, you'd need to adjust loading to cause the flow to be at least 1.5 L/s, but it seems odd to me to do this to force the model to show a specific flow.

    Could you provide more details on this requirement of a minimum of 1.5 L/s? Is this to ensure pipes are self-cleaning? If so, you could look into the Tractive Stress design constraints, though it may not result in the flow you desire.

    You could also try modeling the flow split as an outfall with two separate manholes for the downstream systems with a load of 1.5 L/s on each, but then the backwater profile calculations (HGL) won't propagate through this.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

  • Agradezco su respuesta, esta exigencia lo señala el Reglamento Nacional de Edificaciones en su capìtulo OS.070,

    en el Pais de PERÛ

    que textualmente señala lo siguiente en el îtem 4.6..

    Adjunto el archivo PDF. 

     

    PDF

    Cuàl deberìa ser el caudal inicial en los buzones de arranque??

    Muchas gracias por su respuesta.

  • Richard, are you able to communicate in English? If so, could you clarify the last part of your previous response? If you want both of the downstream pipes (going away from the diversion) to have a flow of 1.5 L/s, you would enter a fixed load of 1.5 l/s on the two manholes seen in my above screenshot.


    En español:

    Richard, ¿puedes comunicarte en inglés? De ser así, ¿podría aclarar la última parte de su respuesta anterior? Si desea que las dos tuberías aguas abajo (que se alejan de la desviación) tengan un flujo de 1.5 L / s, debe ingresar una carga fija de 1.5 l / s en los dos pozos de registro que se ven en la captura de pantalla anterior.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

  • I believe this requirement of 1.5 L/s comes from tractive force design. In order to calculate tractive force (it's actually a stress, not a force), you need to know the flow and then the hydraulic radius. 

    The flow and hydraulic radius are easy to calculate for pipes with an appreciable flow. However, in upstream pipes, the flow is intermittent. You get flow when someone runs the shower or dishwasher but then you get zero flow much of the time. With these highly varying flows, someone had to come up with a flow rate to use to calculate tractive stress. So someone said "let's use 1.5 L/s" and a lot of people use it. However, it doesn't make much sense in models.

    A simpler approach to ensure adequate slope is to look at the graphs in ASCE manual 60 "Gravity Sanitary Sewer Design and Construction." It says that for a Manning n  of 0.013, adequate tractive stress occurs at a slope greater than roughly 0.004.

    Most reasonable regulators realize this.

    It's also unusual to have flows split in upstream pipes at the "first Buzon" (mailbox?)". Does this occur at many places in your system? If so, why?

  • Estimado Richard, buenos dias.

    Pienso que estamos hablando de un modelo para diseño de nuevas tuberias, cierto? 

    Hay un procedimiento para aplicar criterios de diseño donde podemos especificar solamente  para las tuberias con caudales inferiores, valores para pendiente mínimo pre calculados de acuerdo con el diametro mínimo, coef de Manning y el caudal mínimo. 

    Tenemos un artículo donde describimos este proceso. Creo que este articulo puede ayudar en el proceso de diseño:

    https://communities.bentley.com/products/hydraulics___hydrology/w/hydraulics_and_hydrology_-_wiki_es/38816/sewercad-connect-edition-y-diseno-con-caudales-minimos---presentando-queries-flextables-local-constraints

    saludos cordiales.

    Douglas Miranda - Consultant
    This is a test

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