Hello
I have a system which is supplied by a reservoir then pumped to ( Network (1) as junctions ) and ground tank which further pump the water to (another network (2) as junctions and a treatment plant as 1 junction). Each network has a pattern for flow shifts and controls and the treatment plant works 24 hours.
When pumping flow to Network (1) i should supply the network and also the ground tank because it supplies the treatment plant which works 24 hours. When applying EPS analysis the pump discharge higher flow than both of Network (1) and the flow needed in the treatment plant is some hours and this flow goes directly to the tank which cause negative pressure in network (1).
The treatment plant needs 200 m3/h and Network (1) needs 1200 m3/h but the pump may supply 2600 m3/h and this cause a negative pressure in network (1). So wanna know why the behavior of pump changes rapidly and cause fluctuations in the pump curve and how can i solve this?
Regards
Hello Gamal,
If you want pump to supply required amount of water only, then you should apply controls to pump, if not done so already.
It could be based on Tank HGL, working hours etc.
Creating Controls - Conditions, Actions, and Control Sets (CONNECT Edition and V8i SELECTseries 6)
Also you could use flow control valve i.e. FCV which will supply only required amount of flow.
Regards,
Sushma Choure
Bentley Technical Suppport
I have Set control related to Network (1) and the operating hours but the treatment plant which is supplied from the tank is working 24 hours and in real life i cannot control the pump based on the tank level.
It sounds as if this is a raw water pipe and the treatment plant is at the downstream end of the network. Can you explain the system a bit more and either send us the model or a schematic?
It's hard to tell if the pump is oversized or if we just don't understand the system. Is this tank on the suction or discharge side of the pump(s)?
You need to consider if the negative pressures are due to elevation or excessive head loss. Is the negative pressure constant or only during peak flow times?
Pump curves don't fluctuate for constant speed pumps. The pump moves from one point to another on the curve.
Here is a link with information on providing the model files if needed: Sharing Hydraulic Model Files on the Haestad Forum
As Tom said, a pump will operate somewhere on its curve. For a closed system with only downstream demands, the sum of the demands will dictate the pump operating point, but for a system with storage, the pump flow is based on the static and dynamic head needed to "lift" the water between the two boundary hydraulic grades. See more here:
How are pumps handled in each OpenFlow (Haestad) product?
General Pump Selection Process
Understanding System Head Curves in WaterGEMS, WaterCAD, and SewerCAD
If the tank becomes full or empty, it will automatically close the adjacent pipe, which can cause problems: What happens when a tank becomes empty or full?
For more specific help, we will need to see the model.
Jesse DringoliTechnical Support Manager, OpenFlowsBentley Communities Site AdministratorBentley Systems, Inc.
Dear Jesse.
I have Attached part of the model which contains the problem
Pump station-1 pump flow from the source to Tank 1 which feeds ( a WTP as a junction and Pump station-2).
Pump station-2 supply a flow of 1954.72 m3/h to a zone in assigned timeline(pattern).
So, Pump station-1 shall provide the flow of pump station-2 and the WtP which is (1954.72+200)=2154.72 m3/h as it being supplied from the tank per hour.
but the flow supplied from pump station 1 is much higher per hour as it's 2,765.00 m3/h in a time step and 0 in the following time step and this requires bigger diameter pipe and cause problems in the full network as this is part of the network and there is shifts as it's irrigation network.
i just need explanation for this. you can check pipes number (p-8 & p-136)