I have a water force main in WaterCAD that I am modelling, and I have a high point along the main. To get the pump to recognize the high point, I have placed an air valve right before this junction at the same elevation with the 'Treat as Junction' field set to False. However, running the model causes the system to disconnect. The pump seems to have the head capability to pump to this high point. I am not sure what is causing this error.
Would a possible issue be that my tank is before this high point? So it is: Pump > Tank > High Point > Demand Junction. In reality, the tank is being used as a storage for a different system entirely, and does not serve any of the demands in my currently modelled system.
Hello Kristy,
Check the profile to understand what's happening, Is the pump upstream of air valve set to off please check.
If not already please go through the wiki on modeling air valves at high points, as a refernece.
Modeling Air Valves At High Points in WaterCAD or WaterGEMS
Regards,
Sushma Choure
Bentley Technical Suppport
Hi Sushma,
The pump is on, and this is a Steady State model. I have attached a screenshot of the profile with the air valve (AV-4) set to Treat as Junction True. When I change it to False, the hydraulic grade goes down to -20,000 past that air valve at some points.
I have gone through that reference and tried the suggestions there, including the imaginary tank, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
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Thanks for your help.
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Attached. Thanks
7823.Model.zip
Hi Kristy,
Thanks for sending the model. The problem is the nearby tank - the pump is providing the head necessary to "lift" the water to the tank elevation, but the air valve in question is downstream of the tank and 30 feet higher. The hydraulic grade at the air valve is controlled by the elevation of the tank boundary condition, and would need an additional pump (between the tank and the air valve) in order to prevent negative pressure at the air valve.
There is a path around the tank, but there are only fixed demands downstream of the air valve so the pump can only provide a fixed amount of flow through that path, while also needing to maintain the boundary condition at the tank (initial elevation). There is essentially no operating point on the pump curve that satisfies all of this (known tank HGL, fixed demand, and positive pressure at the air valve)
Kristy Chang said:In reality, the tank is being used as a storage for a different system entirely, and does not serve any of the demands in my currently modelled system.
The tank is currently connected to your system, so if it does not serve your system, you will need to modify the model to correctly match the real conditions (close the pipe? Make the tank inactive? Connect it to what it actually connects to?), as a tank imposes a hydraulic boundary (known HGL) that the model solves around.
I have added some notes based on this conversation, to the "Troubleshooting" section of the related wiki article:
Jesse DringoliTechnical Support Manager, OpenFlowsBentley Communities Site AdministratorBentley Systems, Inc.
Answer Verified By: Kristy Chang