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Combined Sewer System Design With SewerGEMS

Hello!
This is Sergio from Lebanon,

I need some clarification regarding the design of a combined sewer system using SewerGEMS;

Is it right to first layout manholes, conduits, outfalls, and pumping stations as in the case of the design of a sanitary sewer system only, then place 2 catch basins on each side of every manhole, connected to the manhole by laterals, define storm data, then draw each catchment that drains onto each catch basin connected to a manhole and leading to the final outfall...

Is that the exact methodology before computing the DESIGN? and NOT analysis...

Waiting to hear from anyone,

Thank you in advance, 

Sergio Aoun 

  • Hello Sergio,

    First you need to layout the elements in the model like, nodes, pipes, pumps, catchments, outfall etc. then connect the catchments to the nodes like manholes, catch basins and add storm data. 

    You need to then enter elevations thriugh TRex using contours, or you could use terrain model files to enter elevations automatically based on terrain. In case of automated design gravity pipes will be designed for invert levels, diameters etc. based on elevations and storm data provided. 

    You can see the steps followed in quick start lessons on how data is entered, SewerGEMS > File > Help > Quick Start Lessons. 

    Once data is entered you can validate the model to know the missing data or connection issues to prepare model for design.

    Meanwhile here is learning resource guide for your reference. 

    Learning Resource Guide for new users of Bentley SewerGEMS 

    Modeling a Combined Sewer 

    Regards,

    Sushma Choure

    Bentley Technical Suppport

  • Hello Sergio,

    The workflow you mentioned should work for your modeling requirements. However, first try to understand what kind of system you actually want to model. If this is an existing system you are modeling then it should be as close as possible to the actual system, but if its a new system then you would have to "design" the system and see if your design is appropriate for the conditions on your site.

    Is that the exact methodology before computing the DESIGN? and NOT analysis...

    I guess this question is on similar lines as to when a system is to be "designed" and when is it "analyzed". As explained above if you are modeling a network which exists on the field then an "analysis" will help you understand the key parameters of the system such as flow, velocity etc. For this you need actual site data such as elevations, pipe slopes, material, roughness values etc. to model the system as close to the real network as possible. In cases where you might not have data or are working on a new network, "designing" is the way to go. Based on the constraints you provide and the initial data such as ground elevations, pipes you plan to use (sizes and material); the software will "design" the system for the intended flows.

    If you are looking to design your system see this video which explains how SewerGEMS can help you in this.

     

    Let me know if this helps.


    Regards,

    Yashodhan Joshi

  • Hello, again, Yashodhan!
    First of all, I want to thank you for your kind assistance; it means a lot really;

    Yes, regarding my model, I am designing the whole system from scratch; knowing only the ground elevation of the terrain model, I suggested a default invert elevation for each manhole, but some of my concerns were:

    1)Is it CORRECT in SewerGEMS to place 2 catch basins on the sides of each manhole and connect them to the manhole by laterals? Is there anything special I should know when modeling this, or should I completely proceed forward?

    2)Is it necessary to connect catch basins with gutters? Assuming the inlet efficiency is 100%

    3)I have already specified the design constraints that I want within the model, but I want to ask you if there is a specific way to set the maximum depth of the manhole that I need below the ground elevation is 4m?

    4)When I draw the catchment areas that are draining onto each catch basin, is the rainfall data that I defined automatically applied?

    Waiting to hear from you,

    Kind Regards

  • Hey Sergio,

    Are you using the GVF-Rational Solver for design and analysis?

    1)Is it CORRECT in SewerGEMS to place 2 catch basins on the sides of each manhole and connect them to the manhole by laterals? Is there anything special I should know when modeling this, or should I completely proceed forward?

    What are these two catch-basins representing? Are you planning to capture flow from two different sides of a road or something? You can have multiple catchments draining into a catch-basin or a manhole too. Are you using catch-basins only to capture flow from the catchments? If you are not planning on designing the catch-basins (road side curb / inlet / grate etc.) then you could directly have the catchments flow to your manholes.

    2)Is it necessary to connect catch basins with gutters? Assuming the inlet efficiency is 100%

    Gutters capture the overflow from catch-basins. Usually, when designing an existing catch-basin, the parameters of the inlet are fixed and based on these parameters the inlet has some capture efficiency. So, if an inlet has a capture efficiency of 70% the balance flow (of 30%) is the overflow which will be captured by the gutters and transferred downstream. If your catch-basin has a capture efficiency of 100% or "full capture" then no flow will be diverted to the gutters so you can choose not to have them.

    3)I have already specified the design constraints that I want within the model, but I want to ask you if there is a specific way to set the maximum depth of the manhole that I need below the ground elevation is 4m?

    You can limit the minimum drop in the manholes to restrict the maximum depth of manholes. However, its best to manually tweak the invert elevations after design and re-analyze to see if the results are acceptable. 

    4)When I draw the catchment areas that are draining onto each catch basin, is the rainfall data that I defined automatically applied?

    The rainfall data you provide is used to calculate the rainfall intensity (mm/hr, inch/hr etc.) which is used to calculate runoff from the catchment using the catchment area as input and the runoff coefficient based on the method you choose for runoff analysis. The flow (runoff) from the catchment is based on these factors.

    You can find more information in the Help section of SewerGEMS and I recommend you to go through the content Sushma shared for learning.


    Regards,

    Yashodhan Joshi

  • That is very helpful, Yashodhan! Thank you so much; however, to clarify a small point;

    1)The 2 catch basins represent 2 inlets that each capture 100% of the storm runoff from a specific catchment adjacent to each other; my goal is to have 1 inlet of each side of every manhole (flowing through gravity into a free outfall), the inlets (Catch basins) capture 100% of the storm runoff, each inlet has a catchment drawn for it, the inlets capture the runoff, drain them into the manhole by laterals, the manholes are already subject to sanitary loads, just making sure that following this process and using the GVF Convex solver is the right methodology to follow when designing a combined sewer system...