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Choosing the proper specific speed

Hello,

I am working on a sample case where I have a pump transferring water from a reservoir to an upstream tank that is located on an Elevation higher than the reservoir by around 15 m static head.

The pump doesn't have any kind of protection installed and it doesn't have any valves installed.

I am trying to calculate the reverse speed of the pump in case of pump sudden shutdown and to calculate the rate of reverse flow.

the calculated specific speed is around 127; however, the available selection of specific speed is either 124 or 131. I have tried both and found that there is a huge difference between the results in both cases.

In case of using the 124 value, the reverse flow was around 5.5 m3/s while the same value was found to be around 10.5 when I chose the 131 value.

Is there a general guide to choose the closest value to the calculated one? should I approximate down or up?

Thank you

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  • Hi Muhammad,

    The general guide is to approximate the four quadrant characteristics of the pump by selecting the Specific Speed closest to the value calculated using the equation in the following article: Estimating the Specific Speed of a Pump or Turbine

    First ensure that the equation is properly used so that you know you are selecting the right Specific Speed.

    If you are seeing large differences in results between two adjacent specific speeds, take a close look at the model results to get a firm understanding of the behavior of each case. Look for any instability or any conditions or specific sensitivity. If you see what appears to be irrational/unstable results, this could indicate other problems in the network that you may need to resolve before you can trust the results. Regarding sensitivity, some systems can be sensitive to small changes especially if there is significant vapor or air formation occurring. If you are seeing such things happening (animate profile paths) then the seemingly large differences in flow that you are seeing may still be acceptable. 

    If your model appears to be stable and not sensitive in both cases (ex: the pump is settling down to a final steady state condition with no air or vapor present) then consider creating a custom four quadrant pump curve (new Specific Speed selection for your exact specific speed) based on the actual pump manufacturer data. This is a very advanced feature but you can find more information here: Defining custom four-quadrant curves (specific speed) for pumps and turbines in HAMMER

    If a custom quadrant curve is also not an option, consider selecting the Specific Speed that results in the most conservative transient results.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

    Answer Verified By: Muhammad Elgindi 

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  • Hi Muhammad,

    The general guide is to approximate the four quadrant characteristics of the pump by selecting the Specific Speed closest to the value calculated using the equation in the following article: Estimating the Specific Speed of a Pump or Turbine

    First ensure that the equation is properly used so that you know you are selecting the right Specific Speed.

    If you are seeing large differences in results between two adjacent specific speeds, take a close look at the model results to get a firm understanding of the behavior of each case. Look for any instability or any conditions or specific sensitivity. If you see what appears to be irrational/unstable results, this could indicate other problems in the network that you may need to resolve before you can trust the results. Regarding sensitivity, some systems can be sensitive to small changes especially if there is significant vapor or air formation occurring. If you are seeing such things happening (animate profile paths) then the seemingly large differences in flow that you are seeing may still be acceptable. 

    If your model appears to be stable and not sensitive in both cases (ex: the pump is settling down to a final steady state condition with no air or vapor present) then consider creating a custom four quadrant pump curve (new Specific Speed selection for your exact specific speed) based on the actual pump manufacturer data. This is a very advanced feature but you can find more information here: Defining custom four-quadrant curves (specific speed) for pumps and turbines in HAMMER

    If a custom quadrant curve is also not an option, consider selecting the Specific Speed that results in the most conservative transient results.


    Regards,

    Jesse Dringoli
    Technical Support Manager, OpenFlows
    Bentley Communities Site Administrator
    Bentley Systems, Inc.

    Answer Verified By: Muhammad Elgindi 

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