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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Time-based surge relief valves - interrupted operation?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/hydraulics___hydrology/f/haestad-hydraulics-and-hydrology-forum/230574/time-based-surge-relief-valves---interrupted-operation</link><description>I am modelling a system with an existing relief valve set to discharge when a system reaches pressure of &amp;gt;700kPa. Advice from the supplier is that the valve could take 10 seconds to open and 60 seconds to close - so for the first time I am trying the</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: Time-based surge relief valves - interrupted operation?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/714507?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 15:42:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:90dce665-0550-4ca8-a77e-8f97cd4f3f46</guid><dc:creator>Scott Kampa</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hello Liz,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A feature request for this has been filed. The reference number is&amp;nbsp;906159. The development team will review this for inclusion in a future release of HAMMER.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Scott&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Time-based surge relief valves - interrupted operation?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/714320?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2022 23:04:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:c4a1848e-86be-4087-a1aa-16d3aadb07b8</guid><dc:creator>lizh</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks both. I will go back to the method of using TCV based on observed behaviour in model iterations, as I need the valve to respond more dynamically. Advice from manufacturer has been that, in reality, there is no need for the valve to fully close before it can start to open again, if that&amp;#39;s what pressure conditions dictate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards, Liz&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Time-based surge relief valves - interrupted operation?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/714312?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2022 20:45:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:2e77c97a-0ebf-4b1c-9e11-f078244b46b0</guid><dc:creator>Scott Kampa</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hello Liz,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We confirmed with the developers that the surge valve is working as expected, with no interrupted operation allowed during the calculation. A note on this was added to the &lt;a href="/products/hydraulics___hydrology/w/hydraulics_and_hydrology__wiki/2921/modeling-reference---surge-valves"&gt;surge valve&lt;/a&gt; wiki article for clarification. Yashodhan&amp;#39;s recommendation in the earlier post may work as a workaround. We can review the possibility of including a feature like this in a future version of HAMMER.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Scott&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Time-based surge relief valves - interrupted operation?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/714219?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2022 09:40:34 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:ae3b99b4-0a4b-44bc-9805-7e248254c97f</guid><dc:creator>Yashodhan Joshi</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hello Liz,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Surge Relief Valve (SRV) should close&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;immediately after pressure drops below the threshold specified. With the CONNECT Edition Update 3 of HAMMER you do have time based control where you specify the opening and closing times.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
[quote userid="215774" url="~/products/hydraulics___hydrology/f/haestad-hydraulics-and-hydrology-forum/230574/time-based-surge-relief-valves---interrupted-operation"]The model results look surprising to me though, and I just want to test my understanding of how this is modelled. It seems as though once the valve is triggered to open, it has to go through the full cycle of opening and closing regardless of the actual system conditions? For example, the valve closure cannot be interrupted if, in the meantime, the pressure rises above 700 kPa once again - rather, once it has closed over 30 seconds, it can then start opening again. Do I have this correct?[/quote]
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Can you provide your model or a simplified version of your model where we can see this? Please share the model files as per &lt;a href="/help/w/be_communities_help/32255/sharing-hydraulic-model-files-on-the-openflows-hydraulics-hydrology-forum" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Alternatively, have you tried using a TCV with a D2A connected to it? The TCV&amp;nbsp;could give more functionality and control in such cases. See this article for reference:&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="/products/hydraulics___hydrology/w/hydraulics_and_hydrology__wiki/3438/modeling-reference---valve-closure" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"&gt;Modeling Reference - Valve Closure&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;For reference please also go through this article in case you haven&amp;#39;t already:&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="/products/hydraulics___hydrology/w/hydraulics_and_hydrology__wiki/2921/modeling-reference---surge-valves" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"&gt;Modeling Reference - Surge Valves&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;Let me know if this helps.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>