Just a general question. Lately, I have been using Franklin to provide pump information for my water and sewer models. Their product information is excellent but it would be great if their pumps and associated information was already in a library for modeling. Has any manufacturer provided their product information in a library for Bentley products like WaterGEMS and SewerGEMS?
Thanks
Hello,
Since there is a very large number of pump manufacturers, it is not feasible for us to include a library of pump information with the products. It is typically acceptable to take the specification information from the manufacturer and enter the head vs. flow curve for the pump. (and efficiency curve if needed) The user interface makes it easy to enter the head vs. flow curve and you can even paste in the values from a spreadsheet if needed. Also once you have the pump definitions entered in one model, you can export them to the Engineering Library for use in other models. See: Reusing Pump Definitions (Import / Export)
The only other library information I can think of that has been provided by manufacturers in the past is Vortex Valve rating curves and underground Storage Chamber Rating curves (used in SewerGEMS, CivilStorm and PondPack). See the section "CULTEC and StormTech Chambers" in this article and read about Hydro International vortex valves here.
Regards,
Jesse DringoliTechnical Support Manager, OpenFlowsBentley Communities Site AdministratorBentley Systems, Inc.
Thanks Jesse! I concur it would be a ton of information and wasn't asking if Bentley would go get it from the manufacturers per se (though that would be an excellent selling point if you guys did obtain that from say the top 5 pump companies and have your program automatically help select pump companies/pumps that would fit the calculated design parameters.). It amazes me though that companies won't publish say a list of their pumps (pipes, valves, tanks, etc.) and associated information in a format that software companies, like Bentley, could easily interpret and put into your product (as needed). It would make it easier to make sure the proper fields are filled in correctly, cut down on the modeler's time, and helps ensures that the manufacturer's name and specifications come to the top of the pile. In this day in age where BIM is the top discussion we still have to manually populate that information. I just assume have the manufacturers that I getting information from carry that information through the design and documentation process with that manufacturer listed with am "or approved equal" after that. How awesome would it be to get this information from a manufacturer into a library that can be downloaded from the manufacture and uploaded directly into the program.
Excellent suggestion! Hopefully some pump companies will see your suggestion and follow up on it.
We actually started on a project like this in the early 2000s called PumpMaster. The pump companies didn't like it. They don't want their pumps treated as commodities. They want you to go to their web site, read their marketing and talk with their sales people.
Tom - That is unfortunate really but 2022 is 20x different that 2000s. I would try again.
Even if it is not PumpMaster, an industry standard format that can be easily mapped out on any software platform would be a great way to get that information out there and available from these folk's website. Heck you can force the user to sign up for free to their website to get contact information and any other information, to build a database in lieu of a fee to obtain that library. The above screen shots came from Franklin Electric and I did put a bug in their ear yesterday about this subject. I think they are receptive of that idea.
Me too. Pipes, fittings, tanks, pumps, floats, etc. How great would that be?!?