v81 series 2

I have a client who's dgn file has stop displaying the drawing elements this morning. They state the drawing was fine the first time it was open and later when opening it, the drawing no longer displayed anything. I am getting the same results when I open the file. When viewing the levels display the drawings levels still show as being active and used in the drawing. I have looked at the level manager and the display column for the levels used are checked. I have tried edit>select all and nothing highlights in the drawing. Any ideas as what is wrong and how to correct is greatly appreciated.

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  • View Toggle 1 was and is on now, still nothing showing in the drawing. I have now discovered somehow all of the elements had been grouped. I have ungrouped them and still no view in the drawing. When I now select a used level in the drawing using the element selection tool box I see it listed twice, once in dark blue the other in light grey. Hope that may help in some way. The users claims they only opened the drawing and was zooming around and closed it. Then when it was reopened nothing was being displayed in the drawing. I can’t help but think the user has done something. Would be hard to believe this just happened on its own.
     
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    I panicked, realised I'd turned off all the View toggles ...

    Ronnie Grimes

  • What you describe with the level showing twice in Level Manager list box suggests that the elements are cells.

    Try going to View Attributes and try to change the clip volume & clip front/back. You can also try to toggle the Displaysets attribute. Possibly tags attribute as well.

    Otherwise, right click on one of the used levels in Level Manager go to properties and the the Usage tab. You should see a list of elements for that level. It's possible you have a file with multiple models. The active model may have nothing in it and the elements are contained in another model.

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  • If I did it correctly, the file has been uploaded.

    Ronnie Grimes

  • dont see it,,,,

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    There seems to be a lot of bad errors in your file. Try starting with a clean file and reference this file to it. If you can see the elements try to merge the reference file into the clean file. This can help alleviate the problems. A lot of elements are text nodes & cells in this file. I can get them to display by using power selector and changing everything to the default level but, with all of the errors it's best to abandon the file.

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  • Hi Ronnie,

    I took a look at your file. It seems like almost everything inadvertently got scaled up a huge amount. If you select everything ( Edit>Select All ) and check the element information ( Element>Information ), then pick a cell from the list and you'll see the scale is astronomical. The only exceptions are the *_Title_Block and ANSI_D cells, which are scale:100. In fact if you turn off all levels except ed_cabinet and then fit the view you will see the plansheet. Now you can turn on all levels and a few more elements will appear. To get back all of the other elements try scaling them by the reciprocal of the current scale of a cell that was originally placed at a scale of 1.

    Here's what I did:

    1. Display only level ed_cabinet and fit the view.
    2. Turn on all levels
    3. Select everything: Edit>Select All
    4. Deselect only the elements that are visible in the view
    5. Scale the selected elements by .00000000000231749 (This is the reciprocal of 4.31501e+11, which is the current scale of most of the cells in the file, so I assumed they may have been originally been placed at a scale of 1.)
    6. All of the elements in the file should now be visible and hopefully the correct size. :-)

    The elements may not be the correct size since I made an assumption about what value to scale by. Since you are familiar with the files, you should be able to make a more educated guess as to which current cell scale value to use the reciprocal of, for the scaling factor.

    HTH,

    Ron

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  • Hi Ronnie,

    I took a look at your file. It seems like almost everything inadvertently got scaled up a huge amount. If you select everything ( Edit>Select All ) and check the element information ( Element>Information ), then pick a cell from the list and you'll see the scale is astronomical. The only exceptions are the *_Title_Block and ANSI_D cells, which are scale:100. In fact if you turn off all levels except ed_cabinet and then fit the view you will see the plansheet. Now you can turn on all levels and a few more elements will appear. To get back all of the other elements try scaling them by the reciprocal of the current scale of a cell that was originally placed at a scale of 1.

    Here's what I did:

    1. Display only level ed_cabinet and fit the view.
    2. Turn on all levels
    3. Select everything: Edit>Select All
    4. Deselect only the elements that are visible in the view
    5. Scale the selected elements by .00000000000231749 (This is the reciprocal of 4.31501e+11, which is the current scale of most of the cells in the file, so I assumed they may have been originally been placed at a scale of 1.)
    6. All of the elements in the file should now be visible and hopefully the correct size. :-)

    The elements may not be the correct size since I made an assumption about what value to scale by. Since you are familiar with the files, you should be able to make a more educated guess as to which current cell scale value to use the reciprocal of, for the scaling factor.

    HTH,

    Ron

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