Title Block cell question

RE: Title Block cell question

Lorys — Fri, 12 Sep 2014 07:28:43 GMT

sorry John I disagree... he asked how to make a tagged or attributed title block, others have suggested to use the sheet model thats fine use a sheet model but when you go create sheet model untick the defaulted tick box, this causes when ticked to put the sheet boundary at 0,0.. if you dont do it it still creates the sheet model, you just have to ref attach your your reference 1:1 world coincedent then attach your ref file of your title block or cell scaled up to real world.. let the printer scale the model to paper ...

Now you can get real coordiantes and you can check the sheets all match eachother and ref attach all your sheet model based plans into another model for checking because they are real world size and location .. just like we used to do before we had sheet models...still allows for best of both worlds easy printing and annotation scaling of text etc and real world placement the autocad style working method is inefficient and not usable for every user the ref model realworld works for every possibility...

I think when Bentley developers were creating the make or add sheet model they just assumed having it preticked to create the sheet layout boundary was best way because its just like autocad heck he probably was an acad user... Ive been fighting this place the sheet at 0,0 and move the world object there for 15 years with acad drafters supplying me building layouts ,road works etc and they still doing it !

RE: Title Block cell question

John Frampton — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:53:33 GMT

Lorys

I do understand your concern but in Todd’s case the original design was never changed and you can still do all the things you state aren’t possible it is just not done in the sheet model it is done in the original design model. You are correct in that you are creating designs and model and in those cases you are still able to reference those designs together. When building a sheet it is much simpler to understand if the Sheet is assembled like a piece of paper.

With all that we do and will continue to support both methods of sheet creation (scale border up or scale design down) as both have pros and cons.

John

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Todd Moser

... When referencing I would bring your Title block in at 1:1 then scale your design file when referenced to fit your Sheet. If you want you can always merge your files together to make on file.

dont do that scale the sheet up to the world and always ref attach ref files 1:1 world co-incedent ...

We are survey drafters etc and when we receive files done your way it makes me weep.. cant align anything cant use cooridinates cant refattach existing cadaster or photography.. people got to stop thinking they are making a cad file for a piece of paper your not! your making models that can and will be shared ..

I expect this kind of work flow from Autocad users as thats they way they are trained ... but mstn users know better...

RE: Title Block cell question

Lorys — Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:30:38 GMT

[quote user="Todd Moser"]

... When referencing I would bring your Title block in at 1:1 then scale your design file when referenced to fit your Sheet. If you want you can always merge your files together to make on file.

[/quote]

dont do that scale the sheet up to the world and always ref attach ref files 1:1 world co-incedent ...

I expect this kind of work flow from Autocad users as thats the way they are trained ... but mstn users know better...

RE: Title Block cell question

Todd Moser — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:23:03 GMT

Hello CMJ,

I think the easiest thing for you would be to create a Title block DGN file that would have the Title block place directly in it. Place your tags in that file for your Title block info, you can have your north arrow, notes etc. all in that file as well. Then reference that file into your Sheet model in all of your other files. When referencing I would bring your Title block in at 1:1 then scale your design file when referenced to fit your Sheet. If you want you can always merge your files together to make on file.

RE: Title Block cell question

Dervalcanny — Wed, 10 Sep 2014 08:35:47 GMT

Hello,

please find below a link on how to make title block tag-cells:

communities.bentley.com/.../979.aspx

Regards

RE: Title Block cell question

Mick Inkster — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 20:32:34 GMT

Since you mentioned scales I am assuming you need the border scaled up to fit around the content, in which case Jon's approach of reference attachments is likely what you would be after.

In the same vein, you could also place the different cells into one attachment, reference the file into your border and then merge the file into the drawing once it is located correctly, which should keep the cells (and tagsets) intact.

As an alternative method, we have created a Sheet seed file which contains the Border, Title Block cell and north arrow, and this works very well when the sheets are at a scale of 1:1 and in the same location (e.g. 0,0).

RE: Title Block cell question

Jon Summers — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:45:51 GMT

[quote user="CMJ"]When I insert the new cell which contains all of the above and I go to drop it so I can take the stamps off I dont need, the tags in the title block also drop[/quote]

When you drop a tagged element, the tags lose their dependent host. MicroStation removes the orphan tags.

You need an alternative approach that retains the title block cell while enabling you to remove optional content. Reference attachments spring to mind: keep the title block as a tagged cell; attach, or don't attach, other content as references.