Best Practices - LineStyle Scaling with References

OK, I have a plan view design file. I am referencing it into a sheet model file for some annotation and plotting. I am referencing the same file into the sheet to detail certain areas.

The main design is both drawn at 1:40, and inserted to the sheet at 1"=40' (MU/SU are Ft/In). Our entire organization works at 1:40 - this practice started years before before I was around. But, sheets have to be set to 1"=40' or the borders are 1/12th too small.

The details are referenced in at 1"=20' (Master:Ref is 2:1).

The lines in question are custom linetypes - a dash with a piece of text. All the linestyle scales on the elements in the design file are 1.0000.

I've played with the reference file global linestyle scaling settings on the detail to get the scaling correct, but nothing seems to work. The scaling appears either twice the size I want it at (details are blown up by two), or something so far off that the lines appear solid. The only way I can get it to work  is by setting the drawing scale in the sheet (Master) dgn at 1"=2', have the main view (1"=40') get the linestyle scales from the reference, and the detail references get it from the master.

However, changing the drawing scale also changes the scale of the sheet border I am using in each sheet model. I want the borders in there to make plotting as foolproof as possible. And my active linestyle scale starts wacking out, too. If I set the drawing scale to 1"=40' the linestyle scale goes to 1"=480.

This can't be that hard to do, but I'm totally lost at this point. Maybe I should set the units to MU:SU to Inches (1"=1") since the sheet is an 11x17 inch, then reference the files in at either 1:1 (plan) or 2:1 (detail)?

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  • Just came across this and just thought I would recommend a fast correct fix for those surfing for an answer. Like they all said below, the most important is to make sure you have you scale settings correct from the start. If you have a model referenced into you sheet view and you have your model annotation set to 1/2" = 1', then you want to make sure you have your global linetype scale set correctly as well. So I would set my global linetype scale for my model properties to 24 as shown below. Even if you are not using annotation and you are still referencing any view in another scale besides 1:1, then you will need to adjust your Global Line Style Scale accordingly to the scale you are using. If I didn't change the number below and left it at 1, it would display correctly in my sheet model view, but in my model view, it would be very very small (24x smaller) and would barely be able to see how it would look in my Sheet View.

    Example below (Model View)

    If it wasn't changed or corrected (Model View)

    Zoomed in (Look how small linetype scale is)

    So it makes a big difference if you want to have your model view you are working on look the same as it does in your Sheet Model you are referencing it in. Hope that helps. I learned so much from coming here and still learning so much more every day. Thanks for all the help. 

    Thanks,

    Chris

    MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries 4) SS4

    Version 08.11.09.832

    C. LeMay

    MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries 4) version 08.11.09.829

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  • Just came across this and just thought I would recommend a fast correct fix for those surfing for an answer. Like they all said below, the most important is to make sure you have you scale settings correct from the start. If you have a model referenced into you sheet view and you have your model annotation set to 1/2" = 1', then you want to make sure you have your global linetype scale set correctly as well. So I would set my global linetype scale for my model properties to 24 as shown below. Even if you are not using annotation and you are still referencing any view in another scale besides 1:1, then you will need to adjust your Global Line Style Scale accordingly to the scale you are using. If I didn't change the number below and left it at 1, it would display correctly in my sheet model view, but in my model view, it would be very very small (24x smaller) and would barely be able to see how it would look in my Sheet View.

    Example below (Model View)

    If it wasn't changed or corrected (Model View)

    Zoomed in (Look how small linetype scale is)

    So it makes a big difference if you want to have your model view you are working on look the same as it does in your Sheet Model you are referencing it in. Hope that helps. I learned so much from coming here and still learning so much more every day. Thanks for all the help. 

    Thanks,

    Chris

    MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries 4) SS4

    Version 08.11.09.832

    C. LeMay

    MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries 4) version 08.11.09.829

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