Element Templates

Can some please explain why or how you uses the following in element templates

Levels you can have a primary level which seems to be the level the template will take when it is used, yet you can added multiply levels below this which dont seem to have any function at all.

This also seem to apply to all the attributes within the templates including colour fill, hatching etc

many thanks

Mark

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0 Offline Melissa Hook Wed, Mar 4 2015 10:17 AM
Mark, I am not sure that I follow you question, basically a template define properties of elements. this includes the level that the elements are placed on , color, style , weight etc. so when you pick your template this set that information for you so that when the element is placed it is placed with those attributes. does this help, if not can you provide more information on what you are trying to accomplish ?
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0 Offline Tim Hickman Wed, Mar 4 2015 10:48 AM in reply to Melissa Hook
Mark,
Maybe a brief description on what you are looking to do may help. We can certainly explain what templates are and the options they have, but a workflow/steps/etc... of what you need will be more beneficial in helping us get you an answer.

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0 Offline Mark Preedy Thu, Mar 5 2015 4:36 AM in reply to Lorys

Lorys

Thanks for your reply. I understand the principals your are saying, but i was investing element templates when they first appeared and found you could add multiply levels colours etc (see below) but could not find how to use them, the only thing i could do was add them. I have now been asked to look again at element templates and thought i would try the forum to see if anybody new how to use or what the additional levels colours etc were for.

Mark
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0 Offline Bill Brown Thu, Mar 5 2015 7:21 AM in reply to Mark Preedy

We use the template levels to designate different states of different sitework line styles. For example, a template for Storm Drain - level 0 for existing; level 1 for proposed and level 2 for abandoned - one template containing 3 different line styles, weights, etc.
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0 Offline Mark Preedy Thu, Mar 5 2015 7:45 AM in reply to Bill Brown

Bill
That sounds like the sort of thing we are after, but how do you set that up so you can turn off the individual level. I can create the template add the different level colour etc but when placing a element using the template it only places the top level or colour etc.
What am i missing ?
Mark
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0 Offline Tim Hickman Thu, Mar 5 2015 12:15 PM in reply to Mark Preedy
before I attempt to explain this, are you familiar with Standards checker ? because the "multiple" options that you are asking about come in to play when this functionality is used.

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0 Offline Bill Brown Thu, Mar 5 2015 12:43 PM in reply to Mark Preedy

I'm hoping Tim can help you there. We have a programmer who sets our tools to select the proper template level, and I'm not sure how he does it.
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0 Offline Bill Brown Thu, Mar 5 2015 12:43 PM in reply to Mark Preedy

I'm hoping Tim can help you there. We have a programmer who sets our tools to select the proper template level, and I'm not sure how he does it.
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0 Offline Tim Hickman Thu, Mar 5 2015 1:08 PM in reply to Bill Brown
You can add multiple instances of the same property to a template, each with a different setting. If there are multiple instances of the same property, the first one in the list will be the default that is used when the template is activated. If there are multiple instances of the same property and you do not want to use the default property, before drawing the element use the appropriate toolboxes to select “secondary” properties that match those in the template. If the Active Element Template icon is locked, the placed element will be associated with the template. The element will also pass the Standards Checker's tests of element templates.

When multiple instances of the same property exist in one template, they appear in the Properties pane under the property's name. Each instance of the property has a number next to it in parentheses. The first instance is the default. The default property value is visible if the list of “secondary” properties is collapsed below the property's name.

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0 Offline Lorys Sat, Mar 7 2015 5:03 AM in reply to Tim Hickman
The orignal poster Mark stated and I quote "fill and shape all applied to different levels"

I must not be understanding this but as far as I can tell templates may offer you multiple options but it cannot create

a shape or polygon that the fill and out line are on different levels to eachother..

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0 Offline Jan Šlegr Sun, Mar 8 2015 8:10 AM in reply to Tim Hickman
Unknown said:
If there are multiple instances of the same property and you do not want to use the default property, before drawing the element use the appropriate toolboxes to select “secondary” properties that match those in the template.

It would be noted that there is no any dependency or linkage between active template and a selection of parameters implemented, so if multiple properties are defined in the template definition, it's not indicated anywhere and user is not aware of it. In my opinion it makes the whole concept of multiple elements pretty ineffective and hardly usable. The only tool which accepts and works with multiple properties is Standard Checker.

With regards,

Jan

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0 Offline Rod Wing Wed, Mar 11 2015 11:41 AM in reply to Tim Hickman
Tim,
I don't quite understand your explanation of how to select a different property in the element template. I have a single template set up with multiple levels, colors, and line weights. Can you explain further of how to select one of the secondary properties?

Thanks.

Rod Wing
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0 Offline Jan Šlegr Wed, Mar 11 2015 11:49 AM in reply to Rod Wing
Hi Rod,

Unknown said:
I don't quite understand your explanation of how to select a different property in the element template.

As far as I know there is no such option. If there are e.g. 4 color defined in a template, still full color table is available ... which consequently means it's easy to select a color that doesn't conform to the template. But I am also curious if some trick exists.

Regards,

Jan

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